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Guerilla Fists
4/06/2004 2:23pm,
It's time to start thinking outside the box..or flat in my case which may as well be a box. Though firearms are a powerful response to home invasion they bring many legalities and risk/hazards with ownership.

Anyone have ideas on the best way to secure your home/apartment/cardboard box. Let's take into account how many people live in the home. Are there kids? How far are the parents? Where is the main access?

Just to list a few there are alarms, bats, golf clubs, firearms, bars, steel doors, pets. All which have their pros and cons.

Alarms
Pro- awakens neighbors and family at moment of intrusion. Possibility to be wired to local police station.
Con- expensive, response time varies.

Bat
Pro- Concealable, no legal issue in owning one. Can be kept by door or under bed.
Con- intruder may have firearm

Golf Club-see Bat

Bars/Steel Doors
Pro- impenetrable
Con- expensive, fire risk, inescapable

Pets
Pro- alert, intimidating
Con- Bark worse than bite. Crap everywhere. Expensive. Not option in apartment.

Firearms- see can of worms

This is brief and leaves much to discussion. My situation is I live in an apartment and a firearm, bat, golf club are my main options.
Does anyone else who lives in an apartment have a suggestion?

ANd what abotu those of you who live in homes, what do you prefer to protect the people you care about?

GF

WhiteShark
4/06/2004 2:50pm,
Good locks go along way especially if they are not targeting you specifically. All you have to have is a lock better than your neighbor then the punk moves on down the hall. Get a good deadbolt with some steel around it even the most pain in the ass land lord will let you change your lock especially if you allow for it to be replaceable when you move.

WingChun Lawyer
4/06/2004 2:54pm,
GF, please post some specifications regarding your flat (which store, presence of a fire stairwell, number of windows, etc). Maybe someone could then help you plan your domestic defensive measures; also, it would help to know how much you intend to spend (I have no idea about costs for the s. measures you mentioned in California).

I understand I am very much talking out of my ass here (Im a lawyer, not a security specialist), but IMHO a simple solid door and a good lock would be a great start.

Shuma-Gorath
4/06/2004 3:03pm,
Just remember that the intruder will not know your home nearly as well as you do. The literal home-turf advantage gives you better navigation and chance for surprise. Now, since you can't own a shotgun for awhile, I'd go for a blunt wepon, but smaller than a bat (less swinging space and recovery time) and more deadly than a golf club (which is actually ineffective if you don't land it right on the heel of the iron). I have a set of cement weights with solid iron bars. The dumbell bars were about 3/4' long and will **** anyone up. I kept it under my bed until I went to residence last fall.

In conclusion, look for a polyurethane bloice baton, and extendable steel baton, or a solid cocobolo/rattan escrima stick. Couple it with a strong deadbolt door lock.

WingChun Lawyer
4/06/2004 3:06pm,
What about pepper spray? Of course he intends to use his security measures inside his flat, but still those might come in handy.

Shuma-Gorath
4/06/2004 3:19pm,
Originally posted by WingChun Lawyer
What about pepper spray? Of course he intends to use his security measures inside his flat, but still those might come in handy.

I have no experience with pepper spray. I do know it needs to hit an open mucous membrane, whereas clubs can hit pretty much anything at all.

kagato
4/06/2004 4:35pm,
I wouldn't rely on pepper spray. If you're dealing with an attacker that's high or particularly motivated to kill/maim you, they can keep coming at you, regardless of the spray. If you're going to use it, use it as a diversion so you can get the hell out of Dodge, ASAP. Make sure you get the stuff with the highest SHU rating you can find. 1 million SHU's is the standard crap, 2 million SHU's is the good stuff.

You might also want to have someone spray you with some of the lower powered stuff so you can understand what you're dishing out and its limitations in a self defense situation.

The Wastrel
4/06/2004 4:44pm,
Gawd! Haven't you ever seen Home Alone?!

Shuma-Gorath
4/06/2004 4:54pm,
Originally posted by The Wastrel
Gawd! Haven't you ever seen Home Alone?!

Read his Guns thread. Current last page at 40 posts per page.


Edit: lol pwn3d

The Wastrel
4/06/2004 4:56pm,
****!!!

PizDoff
4/06/2004 4:58pm,
Originally posted by The Wastrel
Gawd! Haven't you ever seen Home Alone?!

****, I was just gonna post that.

Xango
4/06/2004 5:17pm,
Don't count on deploying a spray in an enclosed environment, like your home. You'll just have to fight in a cloud of choking droplets.

For home defense, I have long counted on a bokken, although I have never (knock on wood) had to use it. It's more precise than a baseball bat, and quite capable of doing to someone's arm what happened to that guy's shin in that clip, or administering a wicked concussion. It was good enough for Musashi, it'll work for me. :-)

Ideally one would have a pack of those needle assassin robots from Dune hang out by the door/windows and perforate any unauthorized intruders. That'd be dope.

kagato
4/06/2004 7:28pm,
Originally posted by Xango
Ideally one would have a pack of those needle assassin robots from Dune hang out by the door/windows and perforate any unauthorized intruders. That'd be dope.

What if the intruder is the Kwisatz Haderach? Then you're just screwed. :D

Jenfucius
4/06/2004 9:31pm,
hire an army of ninjas.

bunyip
4/06/2004 9:46pm,
On the bars/steel door option - I lived in an apartment last summer with steel bars on the windows. There was a lever inside that you could pull to somehow disengage the bars in case of fire.

Guerilla Fists
4/06/2004 11:08pm,
Was the lever resistant to heat?

Wastral,
I made a joke about that already and the lawyers reamed me. :)