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Flipper
8/20/2011 2:31pm,
Pardon my total noobness, but is Gracie Jujitsu the same as Brazilian Jujitsu? I read somewhere that GJJ is "better", more SD oriented than BJJ. BJJ is supposedly "generic".

How true is this? Isn't GJJ the same as BJJ?

It is Fake
8/20/2011 2:41pm,
Think Wing Chun, Traditional Wing Chun, and Wing Tsun lineage and technique arguments.

Only trolls, nutriders, and people arguing semantics are going to note the "differences."

W. Rabbit
8/20/2011 2:50pm,
Yeah, think BJJ vs. GJJ™

DKJr
8/20/2011 2:50pm,
Depends on which Gracie is teaching it and your goals.

Flipper
8/20/2011 3:08pm,
ok, so BJJ is either the same as GJJ or different, depending on who I'm talking to?

jnp
8/20/2011 3:26pm,
Pardon my total noobness, but is Gracie Jujitsu the same as Brazilian Jujitsu? I read somewhere that GJJ is "better", more SD oriented than BJJ. BJJ is supposedly "generic".

How true is this? Isn't GJJ the same as BJJ?
Your post has nothing to do with any specific martial technique. Thus it was removed from the technique forums.

It's a simple concept really. Posts that do not concern a specific martial technique, like a roundhouse kick or an armbar, do not belong in the technique areas.


As for your rather trollish question, it is all BJJ. GJJ has it's own flavor, which can even vary from Gracie to Gracie as David Koresh jr pointed out.

No one distinguished between BJJ and GJJ until the Gracies used it as a marketing tool to boost their market share and separate themselves from other BJJ schools.

Edit: I suppose I should add that the lack of self defense curriculum in many sport oriented BJJ schools caused the Gracies to do this in the first place

Tom .C
8/20/2011 3:27pm,
ok, so BJJ is either the same as GJJ or different, depending on who I'm talking to?

People you're talking to are not equal depending on who you are talking to. If you need stuff to be equal, delve into some math. That has some equal **** going on for sure.

Flipper
8/20/2011 3:29pm,
Sorry about posting in the wrong forum, i didn't know where to post it.

I'm not being a troll, I'm just curious about the difference between the two and it's all becoming clear to me.

DKJr
8/20/2011 4:41pm,
Well what are your goals and what is available in your area? That matter more.

It is Fake
8/20/2011 5:38pm,
ok, so BJJ is either the same as GJJ or different, depending on who I'm talking to?
Yes. Will there be some differences? Of course. Just like different coaches in boxing are teaching you their "version." A good coach is going to be a good coach.

People are going to argue this is more SD this is more for the sport. As much as it will piss off some Bjjers it sounds like the too deadly bullshit to me.

Edit:

Yes, I know focus is important to an extent. Still, I know GJJers and BJJers that have used their respective versions effectively and ineffectively.

Ke?poFist
8/20/2011 5:48pm,
holy **** just answer the dumb question. BJJ is Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu which is the generic name version of the brand name Gracie Jiu-Jitsu.

It is Fake
8/20/2011 5:52pm,
holy **** just answer the dumb question. BJJ is Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu which is the generic name version of the brand name Gracie Jiu-Jitsu.
Holy **** learn how to read.

As for your rather trollish question, it is all BJJ. GJJ has it's own flavor, which can even vary from Gracie to Gracie as David Koresh jr pointed out.

Petter
8/20/2011 6:39pm,
See also


Slideyfoot’s description (http://www.slideyfoot.com/2006/10/bjj-beginner-faq.html#gjjvsbjj)
Yrkoon9’s opinion piece (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=13526&p=341873#post341873)

tmorterlaing
4/11/2012 11:37am,
I always assumed (based on a bit of research) that 'GJJ' was just when the Gracie's teach it, or when it's directly from them via another coach- I mean, the family invented BJJ right? Its called BJJ because they are brazilian, and it needed to be differentiated from just 'JJ (jujitsu lol) even though most of the principles are the same....?

Petter
4/11/2012 11:50am,
I always assumed (based on a bit of research) that 'GJJ' was just when the Gracie's teach it, or when it's directly from them via another coach-
No. Gracie Jiu-jitsu is a registered trademark owned by Rorion Gracie. There have been lawsuits filed between members of the Gracie family as Rorion has insisted that no one unaffiliated with his branch of the family (and the martial art) be allowed to call it Gracie Jiu-jitsu, even if that person happens to be named Gracie and teach jiu-jitsu. Or, as Yrkoon9 put it (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=13526&p=341873&viewfull=1#post341873),

Okay, we all know that Rorion is a money-grubbing loser who bamboozle the rest of his family out of the market with his trademark.
Read his post for more thoughts on why they differ. Which you might have done anyway, since I linked to it in the post above yours.


II mean, the family invented BJJ right? Its called BJJ because they are brazilian, and it needed to be differentiated from just 'JJ (jujitsu lol) even though most of the principles are the same....?
Well, certainly most of the Brazilean lineages of jiu-jitsu stem from the Gracie family via Gastao’s children (though not quite all (http://www.bjjheroes.com/bjj-fighters/oswaldo-fadda-facts-and-bio)), so they may have been said to have “invented” it, though I don’t personally regard BJJ has having been invented so much as it evolved from judo being practiced with a different focus and mindset (not quite the same way as judo was deliberately synthesised by variously collecting and discarding waza from various ryu of traditional jujutsu, and then evolved along with its competitive ruleset).

Given the wide range of things that get taught under the banner of (Japanese) jujutsu, given the tendency of many (not all) such styles to rely on kata and mostly ‘dead’ training, given the lack of emphasis on newaza in most Japanese jujutsu styles—and given (on the other hand) the heavy focus on groundwork and alive training, and the lack of any sort of kata, in all the branches of BJJ, I think it’s debatable whether it’s very meaningful to say that “most of the principles are the same”. Of course there’s a lineage of transmission (via judo, which BJJ does remain similar to), but I question whether saying “Japanese jujutsu shares most of the principles of BJJ” conveys anything meaningful, even if you are able to produce a few sample situations where it’s true.

Matt Phillips
4/11/2012 11:58am,
Well, since Maeda taught people outside the Gracie family, and those people have their own lineages and academies in Brazil, I'd say GJJ is just a subset of BJJ. And anyway it was all just "zhoo-zhitsoo" before Roion came to America.