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Spran
7/30/2011 10:14pm,
Hey guys, i hope i picked the correct forum. I have been looking for a cheap place to learn some all around good grappling and what-not and i came upon this in lovely Minnesota....

http://www.combat-jujitsu.com/cjj/index.html

well i was interested in trying it but ive NEVER heard of Kosen Jujitsu...ive heard of Kosen Judo but this makes me uneasy. Just some thoughts on whether i should give it a chance or if its not even worth a second look. Thanks guys.

Aaron Fields
7/31/2011 12:25am,
I had a judo player in my gym for about a year on and off, who was visiting from Japan. His university was one of those reamaining few that still play by kosen rules, in addition to standard rules.

kosen jiu jitsu sends off the goofy vibe... as it never existed in Japan

Rene "Zendokan" Gysenbergs
7/31/2011 2:36am,
From the pictures on their first page to the pictures in their gallery, I'm seeing beginner errors in grappling.
It's even worse since the pictures that are taken on the blue mats are 'posing' pictures and not from actual sparring.

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Went to their Facebook page and it's not getting better.
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If I were you I'd look for a Judo, BJJ or SAMBO school.

Hope that this helps,
Zendo

judoka_uk
7/31/2011 6:29am,
Looks like something the guy just made up. Pound to a penny its some generic Jiujitsu where the instructor has taken a few BJJ seminars and watched a UFC and is now trying to cash in on the BJJ/MMA scene.

Go here:
http://www.northstarjudo.com/index.asp

Or here
http://www.midwayjudo.com/About_Us.html

Or here
http://www.facebook.com/pages/DOCS-Gym-Judo-and-Brazilian-Jiu-Jitsu-BJJ/71143092246?sk=info

Spran
8/01/2011 4:45am,
From the pictures on their first page to the pictures in their gallery, I'm seeing beginner errors in grappling.
It's even worse since the pictures that are taken on the blue mats are 'posing' pictures and not from actual sparring.

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Went to their Facebook page and it's not getting better.
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If I were you I'd look for a Judo, BJJ or SAMBO school.

Hope that this helps,
Zendo

Judo and BJJ schools here are somewhat plenty but somewhat pricey and we have zero sambo schools...im just a poor college kid, thats why i was hoping this place was good. Im going to check it out, ill be bringing my friend with 2yrs BJJ experience to help me determine whether its the suck or not.

judoka_uk
8/01/2011 5:13am,
.im just a poor college kid,
http://umnjudo.wordpress.com/

rnc357
10/07/2011 9:16am,
I trained there for about 5 years, this was about seven years ago. The jj is similar to bjj just not as structured. The stand up is kickboxing. When I went the grappling was pretty hardcore almost anything goes type thing. The stand up sparring was usually about 80%. In my limited martial arts experiance the instructor was excellent. This was the first jj place i went too and the things I learned there have saved me from great bodily harm through the years (work related). I stopped going due to an injury and never went back. A few years later a bjj school opened up that was a lot closer to home. By the way the school has been around for probably 50 years, passed down from father to son.

It is Fake
10/07/2011 9:43am,
Have you studied BJJ extensively or at least 1-2 years?

BKR
10/07/2011 4:14pm,
LOL at Kosen Jujitsu, it's just marketing BS name. My god, what people will do to try to make a buck, boggles the mind.

The instructors may well be competent, but I'd run screaming just looking at their website and those wrinkly blue "mats", whatever the hell they are.

rnc357
10/07/2011 6:03pm,
Have you studied BJJ extensively or at least 1-2 years?
Not extensivly, Bjj for a little over a year. How ever going from that school to Bjj I was able to hold my own with everyone. Even the purple belt that was teaching the class. The head black belt instuctor I could not hang with. He had about 80 pounds on me, but he was vey good either way. I have not trained Bjj for quite a while, just getting back into it.

rnc357
10/07/2011 6:14pm,
LOL at Kosen Jujitsu, it's just marketing BS name. My god, what people will do to try to make a buck, boggles the mind.

The instructors may well be competent, but I'd run screaming just looking at their website and those wrinkly blue "mats", whatever the hell they are.

Back when I started at combat jj there were not to many places that offered Bjj/submission grappling in the area. Now Bjj and mma gyms are all over the place and there is a lot to choose from. I even went to a mma place just for the grappling for a short time that made combat jj look a palace.

danniboi07
10/07/2011 6:26pm,
Kosen Ju-Jitsu ground grappling and throwing/takedown techniques are very similar to what you would see in Kosen Judo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosen_judo) and Brazilian-style Jiu-Jitsu, but Kosen Ju-Jitsu is more street-oriented.
and......there you have it folks. Kosen JJ is t3h r3al d34dly.

http://www.combat-jujitsu.com/cjj/kosen.html

judoka_uk
10/07/2011 6:33pm,
I wonder if the Imperial universities are of; Tokyo, Kyoto, Tohoku, Kyushu, Hokkaido, Osaka and Nagoya - are aware that an American in Minneapolis is claiming to teach their ruleset of Jujitsu and on a scale of one to outright mockery how they would react?

It is Fake
10/07/2011 7:37pm,
Not extensivly, Bjj for a little over a year. How ever going from that school to Bjj I was able to hold my own with everyone. Even the purple belt that was teaching the class. The head black belt instuctor I could not hang with. He had about 80 pounds on me, but he was vey good either way. I have not trained Bjj for quite a while, just getting back into it.Thanks.


I even went to a mma place just for the grappling for a short time that made combat jj look a palace. So, how long have you been training at this school?

rnc357
10/07/2011 10:27pm,
trained there for a couple months. I was away from home for work. Staying at a hotel, not a lot to do but work and workout.

sampson!!!
10/16/2011 9:09pm,
I love it when people say a school/art sucks without actually going to the actual school. Here is a very recent review of this place:

http://www.chokingminnesota.com/2011/08/gym-review-combat-jujitsu-minneapolis.html

In addition, they have students who have recently (last 12 mo) won MMA fights in BRUTAAL (MMA org in MN/WI) and have students placed in grappling comps around the MN/WI area.

I personally have not trained there but everything I have heard is they are very legit. Yes, their website is less than exciting, the actual facility is not glossy, and they don't send tons of competitors to the major grappling tournies in the area as they are a small school. But that is not a reason to completely bash the place. I have been to places with much more impressive facilities and websites, but the instruction and skill level of the students was sub-par.

I am no bjj world champ or anything, but I have spent about 2.5 years doing BJJ at what are considered the two best schools in this area and another 1.5 years of MT at these schools. I have also spent some time at mediocre schools so I believe I can give a good analysis of this place. I live close to the subject school and will be checking it out and will re post on this thread. I have taken about a year off from BJJ/MT, and looking to get back in. If this place is legit, I will go, regardless of the specific art.