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JKDChick
7/28/2011 8:26pm,
Hey boys and girls.

I get to give a 10-min presentation at a Skeptical event up here on "Martial Arts and Magical Thinking". I intend to reference the Dim Mak video from Fox Chicago at the start, because it's such an awesome starting place.

I'm fishing around for other topics -- I'd like to be fairly focused though.

Any suggestions?

TaeBo_Master
7/28/2011 9:10pm,
It's been a long time... but I think I recall there being some videos of Yellow Bamboo trying their techniques on non-believers and failing.

Auszi
7/28/2011 11:37pm,
Derren Brown - who is a skeptic and hypnotist, copies the invisible punch.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJPBZtmaANI

Keep in mind, he knows this is a trick. It's similar to the mind control 'brainwashing' that the no touch throw 'Masters' used to use on their students.

danno
7/29/2011 1:23am,
there's always this old gem:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I

i'd discuss their claims, how the techniques work according to these masters, then show some footage of them like the one above when their techniques are tested against resisting opponents. it's basically what happens when magic meets science.

as a skeptic myself, i find martial arts challenges one of the most gratifying ways to debunk bullshit. if only i could disprove homeopathy by punching them in the face...

wetware
7/29/2011 1:55am,
Just out of curiosity, will you be linking the "Magical Thinking" found in BS martial arts with the magical thinking found in various types of mental illness?

stealth_monkey
7/29/2011 3:29am,
Just out of curiosity, will you be linking the "Magical Thinking" found in BS martial arts with the magical thinking found in various types of mental illness?

I would assume not if they want a shred of plausibility to their argument

datdamnmachine
7/29/2011 10:46am,
Don't forget this classic feature the UFC's own Stephan Bonnar:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa1nzD-n25Q

The specific point being that the "so called" pressure point artist can totally take out his own students but, someone else's...

Snake Plissken
7/29/2011 11:02am,
you can always juxtapose this with video of Clay/Ali's "phantom" punch on Liston

Southpaw
7/29/2011 11:09am,
You might want to check out John Chang, known as the Magus of Java.

Lindz
7/29/2011 11:29am,
Got details on this skeptics event?

Ignorami
7/29/2011 11:50am,
There's an aikido exercise you could get people to have an interactive moment with:
The Unbending Arm.
Some selling it instructions here: http://www.bodymindandmodem.com/CoolKi/Unbend.html
Truth of it (I believe) is basic mechanics. The person bending the arm is essentially pushing against themselves.

Another I've seen done entertainingly at aiki sessions is as follows.

1. You kneel down, and partner stands in front with hands on your shoulders, and pushes you over backwards.
2. Repeat the exercise, but you gently place your own fingertips under their elbows. This time, they cant push you over.

(Not sure how that one actually works. Something to do with religion I expect)

Might both offer you a simple opportunity for the audience to get involved for a moment.

daishi
7/29/2011 12:38pm,
Ignorami,

The first one works because you are using momentum that goes forward, past the pushers shoulder, and his downward force is getting stuck in the momentum going to his rearward direction.

The second trick works the same way as support beams in a house or bridge. When you put your hands on his elbows, the force homeboy is pushing is going back towards himself, pretty much locking the two dude's arms together...like a bridge support. Nothing too magical or special about it. Some aikido, and similar MA, type guys do that thing where two people will pick them up by their arms in the air, and they somehow do something to their weight and the guys immediatley can no longer hold them up. Not sure how its done, but its just another trick which, like them all, can be countered if you know how it works.

Prince Vlad
7/29/2011 12:47pm,
No presentation on such lunacy would be complete without this gem:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJr2BdUTYkU

Eddie Hardon
7/29/2011 12:54pm,
you can always juxtapose this with video of Clay/Ali's "phantom" punch on Liston

Oooohh! Controversial.


haha

Eddie Hardon
7/29/2011 12:57pm,
There's an aikido exercise you could get people to have an interactive moment with:
The Unbending Arm.
Some selling it instructions here: http://www.bodymindandmodem.com/CoolKi/Unbend.html
Truth of it (I believe) is basic mechanics. The person bending the arm is essentially pushing against themselves.

Another I've seen done entertainingly at aiki sessions is as follows.

1. You kneel down, and partner stands in front with hands on your shoulders, and pushes you over backwards.
2. Repeat the exercise, but you gently place your own fingertips under their elbows. This time, they cant push you over.

(Not sure how that one actually works. Something to do with religion I expect)

Might both offer you a simple opportunity for the audience to get involved for a moment.

It's more to do with the antagonistic nature of the Biceps and Triceps being, er, 'harmonised'. The Triceps does most of the work in the resistance but crucially the Bicep is not activated so is largely neutral in the exercise.

I hope that reads Ok.

Ignorami
7/29/2011 12:59pm,
Cheers daishi.

Yep, my thinking is, it'd be a good way to make the point.
Do something that seems beardie-weirdie, then tell them it isn't.