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r_123
3/31/2009 10:58am,
It Is Fake - Post #89
^^See, I'd take your post seriously if it wasn't for this little caveat. You didn't find **** by accident.


The other fake thing is you "finding this thread on accident." Yeah, I guess that makes you a professional liar.

I've trained with Gary for only 1 year. I came across this forum by typing "Gary Martin Kung Fu" in google, because i have not seen the website. It was the 3rd link down so i think that justifies my reason for coming across this thread by accident.

I am in the beginners class, but have seen multiple people from different styles with many years experience under their belt arrogantly and respectfully visiting our training and taking part in sparring because they want to know if it is BS martial arts, or not, just like you.

One guy claimed he was a Blackbelt (can't remember what degree) and had 20 years of experience in karate. He asked Gary if he could train in the advanced class thinking he was top ****, so he was given a Red Sash (grade after black and before gold sash[sifu level, i believe]) to train with. When It came to simulating scenario's of defending yourself from various attacks, it looked like full contact sparring to me, with no pulled back or missing strikes. But most if not all of the time the karate guy got owned.

But everything you read on this forum is not a primary source. It is secondary. So if you want to know something, go and find out these questions your self from Gary by calling him or going to our training.

Soundless - Post#90
I wanted to know where they came from, oh but that's right, your teacher has an UNTRACEABLE LINAGE, OOOPS.

Shifu - Post#92
NoBS kungfu,

Can you please inform us who awarded Gary Martian his 10 Level Gold Sash. I would be most interested (as would others) in hearing of this.

Since you all wonder about lineage, I can vaguely recall Gary talking about it once or twice. This is when he has a little talk about the schools history. I did not pay too much attention to it because I find that what i'm learning has very real practical application to defending yourself from an attack, physically but most importantly, psychologically(avoid being in confrontation).

This is a summary of his history(but do NOT quote me word for word because this is a general description to nullify claims, "there is no lineage"): Two sons from a well renown internal kung fu master in China (can't remember the name but I will find out if i can be bothered) immigrated due to the civil war. One of the sons moved to Malaysia and the other to Australia. The son living in Australia met Gary's grandfather due to a mutual friend. Gary's grandfather had tuberculosis and was referred to the internal kung fu practitioner for healing and learning the internal arts. Gary was taught the arts from the age of 4, and was given permission by his grandfather to teach in 1979. Skipping a few years... he got his Grand Master level grading in 2006 at the school of the brother who moved from China to Malaysia. The name of this school I have forgotten but will find out.

soundless - post#90
No they wouldn't, but anyone can do this, it's no substitute for having skill in the departments of striking or grappling. A thai fighter would be happy to kick you in the balls all day but he doesn't need to train it. Just stop assuming everyone else cant grab your balls and rake your eyes.

We train to get out of confrontations ASAP. As soon as we are attacked we strike back and get to safety depending on the scenario. The difference between the thai fighter trying to pick on me is that getting kicked in the balls or raked in the eyes would be one of the last weapons he would use in his arsenal of strikes and clenches, whereas I would keep it in the FORFRONT of my arsenal of strikes to avoid any more injury to myself or the thai fighter for example. When it comes to defending a loved one, then thats the only time I would stick around to absolutely demolish the opponent(s) with any means possible, traditionally and instinctively.

It is Fake
3/31/2009 11:06am,
It Is Fake - Post #89



I've trained with Gary for only 1 year. I came across this forum by typing "Gary Martin Kung Fu" in google, because i have not seen the website. It was the 3rd link down so i think that justifies my reason for coming across this thread by accident.

I am in the beginners class, but have seen multiple people from different styles with many years experience under their belt arrogantly and respectfully visiting our training and taking part in sparring because they want to know if it is BS martial arts, or not, just like you.

One guy claimed he was a Blackbelt (can't remember what degree) and had 20 years of experience in karate. He asked Gary if he could train in the advanced class thinking he was top ****, so he was given a Red Sash (grade after black and before gold sash[sifu level, i believe]) to train with. When It came to simulating scenario's of defending yourself from various attacks, it looked like full contact sparring to me, with no pulled back or missing strikes. But most if not all of the time the karate guy got owned.

But everything you read on this forum is not a primary source. It is secondary. So if you want to know something, go and find out these questions your self from Gary by calling him or going to our training.

Soundless - Post#90

Shifu - Post#92

Since you all wonder about lineage, I can vaguely recall Gary talking about it once or twice. This is when he has a little talk about the schools history. I did not pay too much attention to it because I find that what i'm learning has very real practical application to defending yourself from an attack, physically but most importantly, psychologically(avoid being in confrontation).

This is a summary of his history(but do NOT quote me word for word because this is a general description to nullify claims, "there is no lineage"): Two sons from a well renown internal kung fu master in China (can't remember the name but I will find out if i can be bothered) immigrated due to the civil war. One of the sons moved to Malaysia and the other to Australia. The son living in Australia met Gary's grandfather due to a mutual friend. Gary's grandfather had tuberculosis and was referred to the internal kung fu practitioner for healing and learning the internal arts. Gary was taught the arts from the age of 4, and was given permission by his grandfather to teach in 1979. Skipping a few years... he got his Grand Master level grading in 2006 at the school of the brother who moved from China to Malaysia. The name of this school I have forgotten but will find out.

soundless - post#90

We train to get out of confrontations ASAP. As soon as we are attacked we strike back and get to safety depending on the scenario. The difference between the thai fighter trying to pick on me is that getting kicked in the balls or raked in the eyes would be one of the last weapons he would use in his arsenal of strikes and clenches, whereas I would keep it in the FORFRONT of my arsenal of strikes to avoid any more injury to myself or the thai fighter for example. When it comes to defending a loved one, then thats the only time I would stick around to absolutely demolish the opponent(s) with any means possible, traditionally and instinctively.






But everything you read on this forum is not a primary source. It is secondary.Yes, you are right.

Everything you just stated is also from a Secondary source.


*shakes head*

nysanda
3/31/2009 1:38pm,
After reading the whole thread I still can't be certain 100% that they are the same person, but I find it remarkable (and unlikely) that there would be two sifu named Gary from Australia with similar habits of selling such kung fu horse hockey. The Gary from Australia I am thinking about got booted off the KFO forum (which is an achievment! no one gets banned there!)

I have to see if I can find the old post confirming this, but on KFO online it came out that a BJJ white belt had come in, taken him down and choked him out. If it IS the same Gary, wow....

It is Fake
3/31/2009 2:07pm,
Oh boy please do.

nysanda
3/31/2009 3:59pm,
Oh boy please do.

unfortunately (for the world in general) it appears that the Gary I was thinking of is yet ANOTHER Gary doing BS kung fu in Australia (who would have known)

The Gary I was thinking of has been around fewer years and does a style this Gary doesn't claim, so must be a different guy, sorry

HigherLearning
3/31/2009 6:25pm,
I've trained with Gary for only 1 year. - did you training in many (or any) martial arts before this?

it looked like full contact sparring to me, with no pulled back or missing strikes. - it looked like?? how the **** can't you tell if it was or was not full contact, also are you saying that it was full contact with absolutely no protective gear?


The difference between the thai fighter trying to pick on me is that getting kicked in the balls or raked in the eyes would be one of the last weapons he would use in his arsenal of strikes and clenches, whereas I would keep it in the FORFRONT of my arsenal of strikes to avoid any more injury to myself or the thai fighter for example. When it comes to defending a loved one, then thats the only time I would stick around to absolutely demolish the opponent(s) with any means possible, traditionally and instinctively. - The major difference between you and a thai boxer is that they actually spar and test their techniques against a fully resisting, live opponent and know what works and how to use it, you just assume you do because you drill things a lot

please head to your local muay thai or mma gym and try out a few rounds of sparring, you'll quickly see if what you have been learning is worth the time... plenty of great mma clubs in sydney

r_123
3/31/2009 7:19pm,
Higher learning - post #119

it looked like?? how the **** can't you tell if it was or was not full contact, also are you saying that it was full contact with absolutely no protective gear?


I say "looked like" because it was not me, I was not the one sparring. But yes, there was no protective gear. Why rage for?


please head to your local muay thai or mma gym and try out a few rounds of sparring, you'll quickly see if what you have been learning is worth the time... plenty of great mma clubs in sydney

How ignorant. You denounce the style of MA I study and promote one over the other. I will take you up on that and go to some muay thai/mma gyms. My mate goes to TAIPAN in eastern sydney so i'll check it out as well as SINOSIC-PEROSH and FULL FORCE GYM in the west. Have you studied any internal kung fu? Most likely not. I know what i'm learning is worth my time. No doubt.

danno
3/31/2009 9:56pm,
How ignorant. You denounce the style of MA I study and promote one over the other. I will take you up on that and go to some muay thai/mma gyms. My mate goes to TAIPAN in eastern sydney so i'll check it out as well as SINOSIC-PEROSH and FULL FORCE GYM in the west. Have you studied any internal kung fu? Most likely not. I know what i'm learning is worth my time. No doubt.

i train at sinosic-perosh, will be happy to spar with you. any degree of contact you're happy with.

i'm a really nice guy, you can trust that i won't do anything stupid or act like a macho arsehole. if you have a location in sydney i'll be happy to travel there. we can film it if you like or not.

or don't, it's totally up to you.

It is Fake
3/31/2009 11:18pm,
Higher learning - post #119

I say "looked like" because it was not me, I was not the one sparring. But yes, there was no protective gear. Why rage for?



How ignorant. You denounce the style of MA I study and promote one over the other. I will take you up on that and go to some muay thai/mma gyms. My mate goes to TAIPAN in eastern sydney so i'll check it out as well as SINOSIC-PEROSH and FULL FORCE GYM in the west. Have you studied any internal kung fu? Most likely not. I know what i'm learning is worth my time. No doubt.

I wasn't sure if you were going to go overboard. Now I do.

Enjoy yourself in YMAS.

You added nothing to the original thread. Also, you just repeated the " come to my gym" garbage already spewed.

When you decide to add something new to the thread you can post in the MABS thread.

We don't need gauntlet throwing in MABS.

danno
4/01/2009 6:18am,
sorry if i was part of the problem.

ADM
4/01/2009 6:28am,
Where abouts in Australia do you train Sir? I might be near you or more likely, know people who know you / Gary.

It is Fake
4/01/2009 7:56am,
sorry if i was part of the problem.

No, you weren't. Actually, this is what we need. Someone, in the area, to meet up with this person.


The OP post is silly
MT doesn't have cats claw bullshit that was bad.
Then the whole ignorant comment.
Being a beginner.
Then trying to give an account of his history that is admittedly


This is a summary of his history(but do NOT quote me word for word because this is a general description to nullify claims, "there is no lineage"): anecdotal at best.

Yeah, that's the whole point. There is no lineage that can be verified. In effect, there is no lineage.

Golden Sash ceremony?
International Kung Fu Federation?
An unnamed org.
An untraceable teacher.
Outrageous claims.

Yet, here is a 1 year student saying hmmm I'll clear this up.

WTF?

No danno, I should have moved the post when it first popped up.

danno
4/01/2009 4:40pm,
Where abouts in Australia do you train Sir? I might be near you or more likely, know people who know you / Gary.

i live in the inner-west of sydney, near strathfield.

DunkelAnanas
4/01/2009 5:07pm,
After reading the whole thread I still can't be certain 100% that they are the same person, but I find it remarkable (and unlikely) that there would be two sifu named Gary from Australia with similar habits of selling such kung fu horse hockey. The Gary from Australia I am thinking about got booted off the KFO forum (which is an achievment! no one gets banned there!)

I have to see if I can find the old post confirming this, but on KFO online it came out that a BJJ white belt had come in, taken him down and choked him out. If it IS the same Gary, wow....

How hard is it, exactly? You know, without using dirty pictures and whatnot. I consider that cheating.

Yamaarashi
4/01/2009 5:18pm,
This other Gary wasn't Garry Hearfield of yau kung mun kung fu was it?

HigherLearning
4/01/2009 6:20pm,
r_123 i have a few mates that train/have trained at elvis and anthony's and I am sure that they (along with danno it seems) would welcome you and be happy tp spar, no ego or pissing contests, they are nice guys

honestly you have never tried your art at full resistance have you? you cliam you know it will work, but how?