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atomicpoet
6/21/2011 8:02pm,
Dana White recently said, "MMA is the kind of sport that once you start watching it, it's hard to go back to boxing."

Thing is, there was a time I used to not miss a UFC -- but the last card that really got me excited was UFC 124. That was back in December -- the very same day Khan fought Maidana, a match which IMO had far more entertainment value.

Since December, boxing has offered us:

Donaire vs. Montiel
Alvarez vs. Hatton
Maidana vs. Morales
Hopkins vs. Pascal
Berto vs. Ortiz
Lopez vs. Salido
Alvarez vs. Rhodes
Froch vs. Johnson


These are all just fights off the top of my head -- each that I believe has surpassed every UFC card since December. Granted, the most hyped boxing match (Pacquiao vs. Mosley) was a dud -- but at this point, any match involving Pacquiao has high expectations.

Now when it comes to UFC fights, let's not convince ourselves that shitty fights are great under the guise of being “knowledgeable” and others being clueless. Usually, I prefer UFC over boxing.

The problem with UFC right now, is that the sport has hit a plateau -- that plateau is wrestling. I’m reminded of when Royce Gracie came in a shocked everyone he faced with jiu jitsu. No one knew how to fight it. Right now, a great deal of MMA fighters don’t know how, or can’t handle the wrestling ability of good wrestlers. These wrestlers are taking full advantage of this, and getting easy wins.

Still, I believe UFC has a bright future, so long as it doesn’t hit a drought that lasts for so long that any sort of decline gets out of hand. Hell, maybe they'll set a date for Anderson Silva vs. Georges St. Pierre.

Till then, boxing's got a hell of a good schedule coming up: Haye vs. Klitschko, Ortiz vs. Mayweather, Pacquiao vs. Marquez. Hell, a rematch of Maidana vs. Khan would be a guaranteed classic.

I think we can safely say -- for right now -- boxing is a hell of a lot more exciting than what Dana White's been scheduling lately.

Rebound
6/21/2011 8:16pm,
I'm not anti-boxing by any stretch. It just doesn't appeal to me. I'd much rather watch a regional MMA show. To me, any MMA is better than boxing. But even if that were not the case, I'm nothing but excited for the upcoming UFC cards, not to mention Bellator.

I don't think it has plateaued. If the judging were better I don't think we'd be having this discussion. I believe it's more the judging that needs to evolve than it is the way competitors deal with wrestling, although I do agree that it's only a matter of time before people learn to better handle the better wrestlers in MMA.

battlefields
6/21/2011 8:20pm,
Is this your way of saying you have watched a lot of boxing this year and not much MMA? Because you made it too long.

Rickko
6/22/2011 5:57am,
Yep,Boxing is awesome.
You don't have to worry about elbows,kicks,takedowns,chokes,leglocks,armbars or shoulder locks....what's not to love ?
Yes,I train boxing.I train it most often though when I'm too banged up to train anything interesting.

Tranquil Suit
6/22/2011 6:09am,
Yep,Boxing is awesome.
You don't have to worry about elbows,kicks,takedowns,chokes,leglocks,armbars or shoulder locks....what's not to love ?
Yes,I train boxing.I train it most often though when I'm too banged up to train anything interesting.
Interesting. Go **** yourself.

Rickko
6/22/2011 6:32am,
Nah **** yourself.I actually do train boxing classes seperate to my Muay Thai & Bjj.
It's the least punishing of anything I've ever trained except for Senshido.
Even Hapkido was more dangerous.

The Juggernoob
6/22/2011 6:48am,
Nah **** yourself.I actually do train boxing classes seperate to my Muay Thai & Bjj.
It's the least punishing of anything I've ever trained except for Senshido.
Even Hapkido was more dangerous.

Stop going to boxercise them. Train Judo when you're banged up.

Tranquil Suit
6/22/2011 7:50am,
Let me explain it to you then.

1) This thread is about the sport events of boxing vs UFC shows. And yet you start a bullshit style vs style rant, well actually a 'boxing is punching only so it's a bad style' rant.

2) Then continuing with a sarcastic tone, you say it's not interesting or punishing... Are you serious? That is some serious bullshit.


Stop going to boxercise them.
Exactly.

And by the way, I also occasionally do a boxing class in my MT gym and get banged up quite nicely. And yes, sharping up your hand technique is very interesting to me.

But hey what do I know, ask any pro MMA fighter if they train some boxing, see if they find it interesting.

Dickhead

Devil
6/22/2011 8:20am,
Dana White is full of **** much of the time. However, I completely agree with him that it's hard to enjoy watching boxing after MMA.

I used to LOVE boxing. Now, I can't get excited about it at all. I've got every channel Direct TV has to offer, so I can watch as much boxing as I want. But every time I turn it on, I find myself zoning out and not paying attention. It's just boring to me.

When I was growing up, boxing was exciting because everyone believed boxers were the baddest dudes on the planet. Everyone knows better now. That decreases the prestige of boxing.

And don't even get me started on boxing's multitude of championship belts or the fact that the biggest fights never happen (Pacquiao, Mayweather). The last boxing match I watched was Chavez Jr. vs Sebastion Zbik. Chavez Jr. won the WBC Middleweight championship. Then I had to listen to Max Kellerman and Roy Jones have an argument about whether Chavez Jr. was "the real middleweight champion" or not. What a joke.

Colin
6/22/2011 8:41am,
Somehow, I find myself agreeing with devil.. The internet just divided by zero.
**** just got real.

When I was a youngster, boxers seemed like gods, but after watching UFC for the first time, I was hooked.

It's MMA or it's boring for me, now.
What I'd really like to see is a few more elite boxers jump in the cage :D

erezb
6/22/2011 8:55am,
The most exciting MMA matches lately are stand up fights wich usually result in a mediocre at best kickboxing match, or if one of the fighters is afraid to be taken down, a bad boxing match.
The only reason boxing is decreasing in popularity this days is because of the inflation of organizations out there. Too many "world champions".
Can one compare the popularity of any of the MMA fighters to that of Mike Tyson?
Allot of the UFC matches end up on the ground in a static guard with little to no movement. You have to train in grappling yourself to be able to enjoy something like that.
I want also to ask Ricky if she thinks boxing is for pussies? :) and if you don't get banged up in sparing during boxing then maybe you don't really box. There is no question that any MMA fighter today train in western boxing specifically in addition to his MT or kickboxing or karate.
The reason is obvious of course. You can see two of the best MMA in the world going to arguably the best boxing trainer to improve their skills.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9ANij0plXg

Devil
6/22/2011 9:07am,
The most exciting MMA matches lately are stand up fights wich usually result in a mediocre at best kickboxing match, or if one of the fighters is afraid to be taken down, a bad boxing match.
The only reason boxing is decreasing in popularity this days is because of the inflation of organizations out there. Too many "world champions".
Can one compare the popularity of any of the MMA fighters to that of Mike Tyson?
Allot of the UFC matches end up on the ground in a static guard with little to no movement. You have to train in grappling yourself to be able to enjoy something like that.
I want also to ask Ricky if she thinks boxing is for pussies? :) and if you don't get banged up in sparing during boxing than maybe you don't really box. There is no question that any MMA fighter today train in western boxing specifically in addition to his MT or kickboxing or karate.
The reason is obvious of course. You can see two of the best MMA in the world going to arguably the best boxing trainer to improve their skills.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9ANij0plXg

The proof is in the pudding. UFC has sold more PayPerViews than boxing for several years in a row. In fact, I believe the WWE has outsold boxing as well.

As far as your Mike Tyson argument goes - you can't compare the popularity of any current boxers to Mike Tyson either.

And no, the numerous organizations are not the only reason boxing is decreasing in popularity. Boxing's fan base is getting older. New fight fans are flocking to MMA, rather than boxing, because it is more exciting.

What's your point about MMA fighters training in boxing? Um, no ****. Nobody disputes that strong boxing skills make for a better MMA fighter. Good cardio makes for a better MMA fighter too, but that doesn't mean I want to go watch a marathon.

atomicpoet
6/22/2011 9:40am,
And don't even get me started on boxing's multitude of championship belts or the fact that the biggest fights never happen (Pacquiao, Mayweather).

One of the biggest fights in boxing is happening in two weeks. Klitschko is fighting Haye.

OTOH, the biggest possible fight card in MMA isn't happening. Why haven't we seen GSP fight Anderson Silva yet?


The last boxing match I watched was Chavez Jr. vs Sebastion Zbik. Chavez Jr. won the WBC Middleweight championship. Then I had to listen to Max Kellerman and Roy Jones have an argument about whether Chavez Jr. was "the real middleweight champion" or not. What a joke.

JCC Jr. is everything wrong with the boxing world. He's living off the fumes of daddy's name. His handlers are carefully managing his career, making sure he doesn't take any fights he can't win, marketing him as having a "lot of heart" -- when it's apparent to all he does not have an elite level of talent.

The real middleweight champion is Sergio Martinez. Undisputed, he's the guy who sets the standard in the division. He's the one who completely owns it. JCC Jr. will never fight Martinez because if he did, he'd be exposed for the fraud that he is.


The proof is in the pudding. UFC has sold more PayPerViews than boxing for several years in a row.

I wonder if that's been true this past year. Pacquiao vs. Mosley sold phenomenally well. As for Haye vs. Klitschko, this has potential to outsell Mayweather vs. Hatton.


As far as your Mike Tyson argument goes - you can't compare the popularity of any current boxers to Mike Tyson either.

Manny Pacquiao is far more popular than Mike Tyson ever was -- with far more international appeal.


And no, the numerous organizations are not the only reason boxing is decreasing in popularity. Boxing's fan base is getting older. New fight fans are flocking to MMA, rather than boxing, because it is more exciting.

Two years ago, I wouldn't argue with you. But, as UFC's quality of product has gone down, and boxing's quality of product has gone up, this is no longer the case.

There's lots of great boxing talent under the age of 25. Yet, I can't name a single UFC prospect that setting the world on fire. I doubt the casual fight fan would, either.

For UFC's growth to be sustainable, they got to start developing new stars. Currently, they promote their brand over their talent. That's a bloody shame.

erezb
6/22/2011 9:43am,
The proof is in the pudding. UFC has sold more PayPerViews than boxing for several years in a row. In fact, I believe the WWE has outsold boxing as well.

As far as your Mike Tyson argument goes - you can't compare the popularity of any current boxers to Mike Tyson either.

And no, the numerous organizations are not the only reason boxing is decreasing in popularity. Boxing's fan base is getting older. New fight fans are flocking to MMA, rather than boxing, because it is more exciting.

What's your point about MMA fighters training in boxing? Um, no ****. Nobody disputes that strong boxing skills make for a better MMA fighter. Good cardio makes for a better MMA fighter too, but that doesn't mean I want to go watch a marathon.
I still think that the more exciting matches are the one with more striking and movement (for your average fan that hardly ever stapped on a matt in his life, the kind that Boo when it gets a bit static) and Dana is messing about with the purity of the sport by braking too often so to keep it "interesting" and by denying fights from so cold boring fighters. IMO the best fights right now are in K1 kickboxing. I have to confess thou, that i do prefer slightly a good ufc match over a boxing match probably because i like the wrestling/grappling aspect as well. My favorite fighters are from a boxing background thou.
By the way if there was ever a running match between various UFC fighters believe you me i would watch it!

Devil
6/22/2011 10:05am,
One of the biggest fights in boxing is happening in two weeks. Klitschko is fighting Haye.

OTOH, the biggest possible fight card in MMA isn't happening. Why haven't we seen GSP fight Anderson Silva yet?



JCC Jr. is everything wrong with the boxing world. He's living off the fumes of daddy's name. His handlers are carefully managing his career, making sure he doesn't take any fights he can't win, marketing him as having a "lot of heart" -- when it's apparent to all he does not have an elite level of talent.

The real middleweight champion is Sergio Martinez. Undisputed, he's the guy who sets the standard in the division. He's the one who completely owns it. JCC Jr. will never fight Martinez because if he did, he'd be exposed for the fraud that he is.



I wonder if that's been true this past year. Pacquiao vs. Mosley sold phenomenally well. As for Haye vs. Klitschko, this has potential to outsell Mayweather vs. Hatton.



Manny Pacquiao is far more popular than Mike Tyson ever was -- with far more international appeal.



Two years ago, I wouldn't argue with you. But, as UFC's quality of product has gone down, and boxing's quality of product has gone up, this is no longer the case.

There's lots of great boxing talent under the age of 25. Yet, I can't name a single UFC prospect that setting the world on fire. I doubt the casual fight fan would, either.

For UFC's growth to be sustainable, they got to start developing new stars. Currently, they promote their brand over their talent. That's a bloody shame.

Nobody gives a **** about Klitschko vs Haye except hardcore boxing fans.

The best example you can come up with of UFC fights that don't happen is GSP vs. Silva? You do realize they're in different weight classes, right? Despite that, the fight will probably happen in the near future. Also, the UFC has purchased multiple competitors to make the best fights happen. Your argument is ridiculous.

You're right about Chavez Jr. He's not an elite boxer. Yet, he owns a strap. Not good for boxing.

We'll have to wait and see on the PPVs for 2011. I won't speculate.

Manny Pacquiao is more popular than Mike Tyson? Give me a fucking break.

I don't know how you can say the UFC's quality of product has gone down. Especially with the improvements in the heavyweight division. Also, if you don't see great young talent in MMA, it's because you're not paying attention at all. I don't dispute that there's great young boxing talent as well. I just don't think people really care.

I find it ironic that you're lamenting the sustainability of UFC's growth at the same time their dominance in the industry is leading to antitrust allegations.

Devil
6/22/2011 10:12am,
I still think that the more exciting matches are the one with more striking and movement (for your average fan that hardly ever stapped on a matt in his life, the kind that Boo when it gets a bit static) and Dana is messing about with the purity of the sport by braking too often so to keep it "interesting" and by denying fights from so cold boring fighters. IMO the best fights right now are in K1 kickboxing. I have to confess thou, that i do prefer slightly a good ufc match over a boxing match probably because i like the wrestling/grappling aspect as well. My favorite fighters are from a boxing background thou.
By the way if there was ever a running match between various UFC fighters believe you me i would watch it!

I agree that Dana's screwing with the purity of the sport. But it's not by making the fighters break too often. He doesn't control the referees. He's screwing with the sport by publicly trashing his fighters when they use smart fighting tactics instead of wading in carelessly and throwing bombs like Kimbo Slice.