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nab
6/07/2011 9:15pm,
Sorry, to my knowledge no. Again, as a school we do not compete. Occasionally different members complete as individuals but who and where exactly I could not say.

I have actually been curious about the Baltimore tournament and was thinking of taking part. I hesitate though due to high fees plus travel expenses. I assume you would recommend it?

Ming Loyalist
6/07/2011 10:17pm,
Sorry, to my knowledge no. Again, as a school we do not compete. Occasionally different members complete as individuals but who and where exactly I could not say.

I have actually been curious about the Baltimore tournament and was thinking of taking part. I hesitate though due to high fees plus travel expenses. I assume you would recommend it?

as far as kung fu tournaments go, it's the best test of skills that we have. if you fight on the lei tai, you will learn if your training has been worthwhile, and you will learn about how much heart you have.

the rules are open enough to allow most kung fu techniques, so you shouldn't feel that your style is being too limited by the rules, and the competition is among the best that the US has to offer, at least at the finals level.

i wouldn't enter the tournament lightly. you need to know what full contact is like, and you should have competent cornermen there to watch out for you.

It is Fake
6/07/2011 11:43pm,
I reviewed the sample videos and feel a 6 for Aliveness is more accurate rating than my original 8. Feel free to disagree based on our posted videos, but again I am genuinely trying to give an honest appraisal- remember, I didn't give my school any tens and have no problem assigning low numbers where appropriate.You based it on the sample videos? Then you don't understand aliveness. Your videos do not represent a six at all. I said 4-6 because, I haven't seen non-demo videos. You may spar differently inside your school. No, neither of those videos are sixes.

Colin
6/07/2011 11:58pm,
I appreciate the OP taking the time to promote his school, but it's not exactly what I would think of as any kind of objective review, or even a review at all. The OP also said that the videos were chosen based on their flashiness, and thus I can understand IIF's more charitable 4-6 rating.

That being said, just looking at the videos - I have no idea how he came up with an 8.

Cullion and IIF seem to basically be saying the same thing anyway, with only a minor disagreement on the integer.

(Furthermore, i don't think the OP actually understands aliveness at all. I think he is substituting the word activity or something.)

It is Fake
6/08/2011 12:18am,
Actually, the 4-6 is based on my experiences. We were flashy at demos and sparred full contact at a 6-7 level according to our own FAQ. We didn't compete so, I can't say eight. I was hoping his school was similar, but now I'm almost certain it is not.

weechey
6/08/2011 12:31am,
For the OP, there is a sticky at the beginning of the forum that describes and gives examples of 'aliveness'. Based on that, the absolute best you've got is a 4-5, assuming that the videos are a representative sample of what goes on in your school.

However, for all the dancing that goes on during the sparring sessions, though, I would be hard put to give you anything over a 4. The issue is one of resistance ... is your sparring partner trying to make it difficult for you to pull off your maneuvers? To do that, I would expect each person to try to disrupt the other's rhythm, distance, and timing. In the videos I see none of that. Instead, I see an almost linear 'my turn', 'your turn' type of sparring. It's the reason that in the videos the guys can even pull off those moves ... the other person is letting it happen. It's like it never enters the other person's head that he can just step in and stop the other guy from jumping to begin with.

So, even with light contact (even if you guys try to KTFO), in my mind you wouldn't get more than a 4.

nab
6/08/2011 7:58am,
My last post was not clear. I assigned a 6 based on Bullshido's sample videos- comparing them to what happens in my school, NOT based on my school's posted videos. I also said feel free to disagree with my based on our (my school's) posted videos, meaning I understand and respect what you are saying.

All this being said I think we are dwelling on semantics. At the end of the day this review is intended just to put my school's name out and give anyone potentially interested an idea of what they can expect. Potential students will be watching classes before joining anyway and won't have to take my word as to whether we're a 4 or 5 or 6.

I am not trying to say we are any better or tougher than anyone else, just trying to create an accurate picture. I am glad you pointed out correctly that we are not an 8 for aliveness, I have no interest in recruiting students under a false impression of what they will train- that would be a waste of both of time and as a non-profit, my school has no financial incentive for this.


I reviewed the sample videos and feel a 6 for Aliveness is more accurate rating than my original 8. Feel free to disagree based on our posted videos, but again I am genuinely trying to give an honest appraisal- remember, I didn't give my school any tens and have no problem assigning low numbers where appropriate.

It is Fake
6/08/2011 9:15am,
Many people abuse this system and it is used for accurate ratings of your school. Potential students may take time out of their day if you are unclear. Yes, semantics is important.

Master Betty
6/22/2011 4:25pm,
Honestly, it sounds like typical TMA bullshit giving itself big marks as they always do. Virtually every TMA guy gives his school marks like 9 for striking etc. Embarrassing.

nab
6/22/2011 11:07pm,
Hey, internet tough guy, pay attention. I didn't give a single 9. I gave an 8 for Aliveness, which I was happy to admit I was wrong about after reviewing the video examples and an 8 for gym size which is appropriate as we have approximately 5,000 square feet.

If you have an aversion to traditional martial arts, than don't waste your time trolling traditional school reviews trying to talk ****. P.S. if you did your homework you would know that our school's founder, Mr. Alan Lee was extremely influential in bringing Asian Martial Arts to non-Asians and gets universal respect. There's a reason our school's been thriving since 1967, don't be an asshole.

W. Rabbit
6/22/2011 11:40pm,
Hey, internet tough guy, pay attention. I didn't give a single 9. I gave an 8 for Aliveness, which I was happy to admit I was wrong about after reviewing the video examples and an 8 for gym size which is appropriate as we have approximately 5,000 square feet.

If you have an aversion to traditional martial arts, than don't waste your time trolling traditional school reviews trying to talk ****. P.S. if you did your homework you would know that our school's founder, Mr. Alan Lee was extremely influential in bringing Asian Martial Arts to non-Asians and gets universal respect. There's a reason our school's been thriving since 1967, don't be an asshole.

I have heard good things about Alan Lee's school from my sifu, who in turn is respected by myself and other Bullshido members.

Don't feed the trolls, nab. It's summertime, they are out of school.

Tom Kagan
6/22/2011 11:47pm,
There's a reason our school's been thriving since 1967.

You are mistaken on your date.

Also, without giving commentary on the specifics of your school's reason(s), there are more than a few examples of decades old thriving schools which are, as Master Betty cynically put it, "typical TMA bullshit". This website's charter is dedicated to outing them. So, unless you wish to chalk up your above response to him to typical school pride, your rebuttal to Master Betty should properly include at least a small amount of video evidence as to why you felt the need to take his rant as applying to your school.

nab
6/22/2011 11:51pm,
Mr. Lee's first school was founded summer 1967 in Newark NJ. That winter he founded the school which I reviewed in NYC. How is my date wrong?

W. Rabbit
6/22/2011 11:53pm,
Honestly, it sounds like typical TMA bullshit giving itself big marks as they always do. Virtually every TMA guy gives his school marks like 9 for striking etc. Embarrassing.

He gave himself 5s, 6s, and a few 8s which he modified after some useful feedback.

You, on the other hand, are a trolling and completely fucking useless TMAer.

:GTFO:

Tom Kagan
6/23/2011 12:31am,
Mr. Lee's first school was founded summer 1967 in Newark NJ. That winter he founded the school which I reviewed in NYC. How is my date wrong?

Lol. I just looked at your link.

There are TWO reasonably well known persons named Alan Lee who have emigrated from Hong Kong and are teaching Chinese martial arts and who have founded long standing and successful schools in New York City. I am familiar with the bio of the other one.

What are the odds, man? :-D

Master Betty
6/23/2011 5:33am,
I just always find it funny when people spout on about such and such a grandmaster etc. being "universally respected" when really, they're only respected within their own circles. Is he respected in the full contact sports circles? No? Then he's NOT universally respected and there's a damn good reason - and you should just stop squatting down over the keyboard and pressing enter every time you take a dump.

I'm not trolling down the TMA schools when I have a hatred of TMAs. I'm having a look at the school reviews in general because I see a common theme with many of the TMA school reviews posted by students of said schools.

As Tom said, you wanna refute my opinion, then give me a reason to doubt it - liek actual evidence. I know that's something most TMAs have a problem with but you should try it if you wanna actually start arguing with someones stated opinion.

Or you can call me names, I'll talk smack about your mother and sexual preferences and then you'll challenge me to a fight from the otherside of the planet. This is Bullshido. Why are you here?