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Rivington
2/22/2011 1:56am,
I think this was the subject of a theoretical discussion in the past, given a martial artist Wal-Mart employee. Now, the practical result:

LAYTON — The shoplifter smashed Gabriel Stewart up against a wall.
It didn't take him long to realize that pressure against his lower back was from a loaded gun held by a desperate man who didn't want to go to jail. The gunman had a firm grip on Stewart's shoulder, telling him and three of his Walmart co-workers, "Don't make me do this."
“Absolutely time stopped,” Stewart told KSL. “I didn’t know what to do.”


Instantly, Shawn Ray and Justin Richins kicked into gear, spinning the gunman around. Lori Poulsen ripped the gun away and secured it. They all held on to the man until police arrived minutes later.
The four Layton Walmart employees felt it was mission accomplished. Police officers told them they had done everything right.


But a week later, all four were fired from their jobs. Walmart said their actions had violated company policy and put their fellow workers and shoppers at risk.

Read the rest:
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705366343/4-Layton-Walmart-employees-fired-after-disarming-gunman-caught-shoplifting.html?pg=1

Conde Koma
2/22/2011 2:28am,
so i guess stealing from walmart is as easy as taking what you want and pulling a gun?

It is Fake
2/22/2011 2:43am,
I like how they compare an employee following someone outside of the store to, being in a single exit closed room with a gun involved.

DAYoung
2/22/2011 3:54am,
"The four workers were full-time employees. Stewart had been with the company for more than 12 years. Poulsen, who was employed for more than seven years, had made Walmart a career. Ray said his dismissal kept him from purchasing a home."

Oh, nice.

DKJr
2/22/2011 4:19am,
Employee loyalty? What's that?

Lindz
2/22/2011 12:51pm,
Wally world is a 3rd world employer operating in the 1st world. Expected but still sad.

Devil
2/22/2011 2:08pm,
I'd sue the **** out of them for firing me for defending myself. I'd also make the biggest public stink imaginable and shame them into paying me a large sum of money to go away.

Soldiermedic
2/22/2011 2:15pm,
I'd sue the **** out of them for firing me for defending myself. I'd also make the biggest public stink imaginable and shame them into paying me a large sum of money to go away.

I cant imagine this not happening at some point. As soon as they lawyer up the company will fall over itself trying to settle this out of court.

Rivington
2/22/2011 2:21pm,
Sue 'em for what?

Soldiermedic
2/22/2011 2:27pm,
Sue 'em for what?


Wrongful termination. Although the employees did not follow what is allegedly the protocol for dealing with this situation, they could argue that since the blanket policy does not specifically cover the circumstance, they were forced to improvise.

And in any case, it wouldn't get to court, I am sure the company would settle.

Devil
2/22/2011 2:46pm,
Any workplace regulation that puts employees in danger (ie - preventing them from defending themselves) is a legal ass whipping waiting to happen. It's one thing to say "Don't go around stomping shoplifters". It's another thing to say "If someone puts a gun to your head, smile politely and let them have their way". **** ain't gonna' fly.

Permalost
2/22/2011 3:51pm,
If I was him, I'd wait till my boss was at Walmart and demand my job back at gunpoint. Apparently his boss' job would be in jeopardy if he doesn't comply.

Rivington
2/22/2011 4:09pm,
Wrongful termination

Good luck with that.



And in any case, it wouldn't get to court, I am sure the company would settle.

And you base that on what? Certainly not Wal-Mart's recent legal behavior—check out their sex discrimination lawsuit, which they are happily taking to the Supreme Court.


Any workplace regulation that puts employees in danger (ie - preventing them from defending themselves) is a legal ass whipping waiting to happen.

That's what you think.

Wounded Ronin
2/22/2011 11:02pm,
We should write letters to Wal Mart about this. Demand the employees be reinstated and given special Wal Mart medals for valor in combat. :p

EDIT: By the way, people should simply not shop at Wal Mart.

EDIT 2: From the same article



Stories of similar firings exist, including one in Kansas last May. A Walmart worker in Wichita was fired when she followed a man outside the store and demanded proof that he had purchased a computer. The man, according to news reports, kicked and hit the woman before letting go of the computer and running away. She was not an asset protection associate or a manager, and a spokesperson at that time contended she violated company policy and put herself and others in danger.


Man, Wal Mart is firing the very employees who are willing to risk life and limb to save the corporation a few hundred dollars.

simonifrius
2/22/2011 11:21pm,
When I worked for Target back in the day, they told us very blatantly to not try to stop a robber and to cooperate with their demands, and to do otherwise would probably cost us our jobs. They based this off of the many heroic attempts that failed horribly.
I'm not saying I'm with Wally on this; but I'm pretty sure these guys knew the company wasn't behind their actions.
Then again, maybe they were blinded by their own awesomeness.

W. Rabbit
2/22/2011 11:23pm,
This is not the first case of an employee being fired for turning on an armed assailant. It's in the news every so often.

Gas station and convenience store attendants who have fought back against their attackers have lost their jobs because of company policies against fighting back. Some of those policies literally require the employee to sit tight, keep quiet, hand over the money, and say their prayers.

Note that those actions have absolutely no fucking correlation to whether or not they actually make it home alive. On the other hand, plenty of people fighting back against armed assailants have died, obviously...saving the merch is not worth it. Saving your own skin, on the other hand, is definitely worth a silly retail job.

If you sit tight, you might still die. If you fight back, you might still die. The corporate policies are in place to prevent employees from putting themselves in harm's way for merchandise...it's a liability thing. This is so they (e.g. Walmart) can't be sued for millions by the widows of dead employees who tried (and failed) to valiantly fight off thieves. The widows will claim "he died for Walmart, pay me!" and Walmart will use the policy in court to say "see, we told him not to".

But if it really ever came down to a survival situation like this for me personally....**** corporate policies. **** the merch too. You do what you have to, or you may not get a chance to kiss the wife and kids goodbye.

Better unemployed than dead.