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Wolf
2/19/2011 12:05am,
Ok, so this gentleman was brought to my attention today. He actually runs a school not that far from me down in New Castle, IN. I plan to contact him directlly shortly, but I wanted to post the info I've found before he gets a chance to change it. Anyway here are his claims:

I have been doing Martial Arts since I was 4 Years old.
I have done just about everything you can do in the martial arts world.
I am a State and National Champion.
I am a undefeated mixed martial arts fighter.
I am a Black Belt in Tae Kwon Do.
I Black Belt in Brazilian Jujitsu, Japanese Jujitsu, and American jujitsu.
And I am a Black Sash in Tai Chi.
A 5th Dan in MMA.
And a 2nd Degree in Judo.


This all comes from his MySpace page at:
http://www.myspace.com/stuhamby8


He doesn't appear to have an actual website for his gym. He just has myspace and facebook pages. Here they all are:
http://www.myspace.com/472936392
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001944210862&ref=ts
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001189183231&ref=ts

I've attached a screen grab of the important stuff should he change it later. Anyway, here's the start. I'll follow up when/if I get responses from him about his claims.

http://www.bullshido.net/images/stuhambymyspace.png

Wolf
2/19/2011 12:14am,
his highlight video:


http://www.myspace.com/video/472936392/stuart-hamby-highlight/106893291

Kickapoo
2/19/2011 12:20am,
He is listed on Sherdog at 170 lbs as 0-0, so I guess he is technically 'undefeated'.

He doesn't say 'state' or 'national' champion in what, so god knows what he could mean.

Also, a 5th Dan in MMA? Really?

Wolf
2/19/2011 12:22am,
MMA.TV has him at 1-0. He fought as an amateur at Chris Lytle's Red Cobra Fights. It goes down as NSF because it was a Not Sanctioned Fight. I was actually at the event I believe.

Wolf
2/19/2011 11:47am,
Update. Finally tracked down an email address for the gym. Sent this. Waiting for reply...

Mr. Hamby,

I am a staff member at Bullshido.Net. Your MySpace profile was brought to my attention as your are a local instructor at Fierce Martial Arts. You have some pretty incredible credentials. I was hoping you could shed some light on some things for future prospective students.

1) You mention that you are a "State and National Champion." Could list the competitions that you acheived your champion status in?

2) You list yourself as an undefeated MMA fighter. Is this amateur or pro, and can you list the events you've competed in?

3) You are a Black Belt in Taekwondo. What is your lineage in this art? Specifically who was your instructor and under what organization?

4) You are a Black Belt in Brazilian Jujitsu. Who promoted you to this rank? Also, have you competed, and if so where and what were the results?

5) You are a Black Belt in Japanese Jujitsu. Who promoted you to this rank, and what specific discipline of Japanese Jujitsu is the black belt in?

6) You are a Black Belt in American Jujitsu. Who promoted you to this rank?

7) You are a Black Sash in Tai Chi. Who promoted you to this rank?

8) You are a 5th Dan in MMA. Who promoted you to this rank?

9) You are a 2nd Degree Black Belt in Judo. Who promoted you to this rank, and what organization is your belt under? Further have you competed and if so where?

Thank you for taking the time out of your day to read and hopefully respond to this.

It is Fake
2/19/2011 12:10pm,
Anyway, I'm wondering if he is playing the spelling game.
http://www.usjjf.org/info/yudansha.htm

United States Ju-Jitsu Federation.
Stuart R. Hamby, 1st Dan

We already had this devolve in another thread, that was culled into YMAS. What you copied has the semantic based spelling of "JU." Yes, it is wrong IMO.

Also, he is listed here as a BB:
I don't know what this means but:
http://bjjcoach.com/index.php?option=com_community&view=profile&userid=765&Itemid=143

About me
I am a Ju-jitsu student and teacher and I am just looking to broaden my game.
Experience
Advanced
Rank
Black Belt

He constantly spells it "JU" everywhere. I'd focus on the MMA and Judo claims first IMO.

Wolf
2/19/2011 12:42pm,
Anyway, I'm wondering if he is playing the spelling game.
http://www.usjjf.org/info/yudansha.htm

United States Ju-Jitsu Federation.
Stuart R. Hamby, 1st Dan

We already had this devolve in another thread, that was culled into YMAS. What you copied has the semantic based spelling of "JU." Yes, it is wrong IMO.

Also, he is listed here as a BB:
I don't know what this means but:
http://bjjcoach.com/index.php?option=com_community&view=profile&userid=765&Itemid=143


He constantly spells it "JU" everywhere. I'd focus on the MMA and Judo claims first IMO.

Well the USJJF would I guess satisfy the BB in "American Jujitsu," however the fact that he's very clear on his myspace about saying Brazilian Jujitsu makes that part worth looking in to. I may have missed something somewhere, but I haven't seen an organization for Brazilian JUJITSU that is seperate from the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu that is common.

As for the other link, that's just his profile on Marcelo Montiero's community site. He put that information in there and it's not verified by anyone.

It is Fake
2/19/2011 12:50pm,
Well the USJJF would I guess satisfy the BB in "American Jujitsu," however the fact that he's very clear on his myspace about saying Brazilian Jujitsu makes that part worth looking in to. I may have missed something somewhere, but I haven't seen an organization for Brazilian JUJITSU that is seperate from the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu that is common.Gezere explained it when this came up with a 4th degree JJJ guy playing the same BS advertising and spelling game. All I am saying is the spelling may turn into a dead end and to focus on the things that are very clear.
5th in MMA? No semantics game and it would be an in house unrecognized claim.
2nd Degree in Judo? It is either in house or legit, No Semantics game.

I know I'm pointing out he is very careful to use the JU not the Jiu version even on a BJJ website.

Wolf
2/19/2011 12:54pm,
Yeah. I get what you're saying, and I understand where it could go. Either way he seems to have some sort of 'Jujitsu' rank from an org, be it shady or not. I'm at least going to ask about the Brazilian claim. If he wants to step back on that then we can go from there. Either way he has at least once claimed a BB in Brazilian 'Jujitsu'.

It is Fake
2/19/2011 12:58pm,
Oh, I didn't mean not to ask. More stopping the terrible derail that may occur.
Like this one:
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=103668

I think it is a load of crap, but don't want the huge derail. I should have been clearer. I think I may have found his TKD school. I'll wait to post that information after he responds.

Wolf
2/19/2011 1:10pm,
Also worth noting, is that according to his myspace page and his page for his school on facebook he is 19 years old.

ChenPengFi
2/19/2011 1:53pm,
He doesn't appear to have an actual website for his gym. ...
I think this is it, no?
http://fiercemartialarts.webs.com/
Photos and videos there.

Wolf
2/19/2011 3:16pm,
That is indeed them. Good find. I don't think they use that site much if at all anymore though. I think they do all their stuff through facebook and myspace from what I've been seeing.

Wolf
2/22/2011 9:47pm,
Ok, so there's been a lot of developments. In the Interest of transparency I'll post our email exchanges. This was his reply to the first email I sent:



Paul,

Hello, I don't check this email very often or at all really. I just check it on occasion. I would love to provide you with this information I have nothing to hide, but I am just wondering why you ask for all this or what your site or yourself does with this information. It isn't uncommon for a new prospect or student to ask some of these things but it just seems like I got your email out of the blue asking for all this information. What exactlydoes bullshido.com do and so forth and what is the information you are asking me to provide go to?

Thanks,
Stuart Hamby

Ps: I will check this email in the next few days for your reply. If everything checks out clear I will gladly give you my Martial Arts History and continuing succesful future. I just won the Heavyweight Black Belt Ju-jitsu State Championships on Feb 19 in Richmond Indiana for the Alliance. I was in the Black Belt Super Fight.


My reply:


Mr Hamby,

Thank your for your reply. I do appreciate your willingness to be open. In exchange for your openness I'll be forthright. So please don't take offense to anything I say or ask. Bullshido has been around for a number of years. We operate as a sort of Consumer Reports on Martial Arts. We make it a point to post knowledge we can gather of various schools and instructors. Your list of credentials is pretty amazing. It is just something I am trying to verify for our records. Your credentials were brought to my attention by someone who was curious as to if they were in fact legitimate. If you would be willing to verify each of these claims by answering the questions I posted previously I can then write an article about you and your school and post it so that your programs get added exposure. We do have over 100,000 members, so it's pretty good exposure. Thank you again for your reply, and I look forward to hearing from you.

Yours Sincerely,
Paul Romer


I have a lot more. I'm just posting it in parts.

Wolf
2/22/2011 9:49pm,
Our next correspondance...



Paul,

Ok, I will star right now and get you all the information. I have nothing to hide, however for some reason I was just accused of me saying that I am a Lloyd Irvin BJJ Black Belt and there is no way this is true at all. His guys are truely some of the best in the world and I wanted to see if the same person that started this rumor about me, asked you for my information. Can you please tell me who asked because I am pretty sure that it is the same person. I have never shown nothing but respect to these fellow Martial Artist and I would not disgrace someone like that. Please let me know who is was and I will then send over the rest of the information for you, I will start typing it up so its ready to send upon your reply.

Thanks,
Stuart




Mr. Hamby,

That seems fair enough to me. In the interest of moving this forward, and hopefully getting this resolved quickly I am will to provide that. The person who directed me to you, and asked me to have bullshido check out your claims is James Clingerman of Indiana Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Academy. I look forward to your reply.

Yours Sincerely,
Paul Romer


as a note, I did get James' permission to disclose his name to Mr. Hamby. More coming...

Wolf
2/22/2011 9:51pm,
next part...



Paul,

I see, so your instructor asked you to research me. I didn't realize I was a threat to him or his business. I have seen what has already been posted and I know that you are already coming into this with a pre-assumption of me because Mr. Clingerman is your instructor. And I realize you and him aren't worried about any of my credentials except the Brazilian Jiu-jitsu rank and maybe the Judo. I recieved these ranks from Grandmaster Phil Jones through the Black Belt Masters Association. I recieved the rank through him but I don't teach Brazilian Jiu-jitsu. I teach Japanese Ju-jitsu and I am not playing a word game with that either, that is what I was brought up in the Martial Arts world of Ju-jitsu knowing how to spell it. And I think there is a difference because Brazilian Jiu-jitsu is very very high level in IMO compared with other Martial Arts. I have nothing but respect for Mr. Clingerman and your website. I feel that it has turned the wrong way on me over I guess gym competition it seems. I have recieved this rank through Master Jones, but I don't claim to teach it. I know that no matter what I tell you or can prove to you probably won't end up good for me on your website because I feel you are already coming in trying to disgrace me because your instructor and a competing school asked you to do this.

I have respect for all of you and I have not tried to offend anyone. I did recieve this rank but I teach JJJ and I consider myself still very much a student in the art of BJJ. So with that, you now should know what you were really interested in. I can provide my other instructors and credentials and so on but I wouldn't want their names bashed on the internet. We all provide a service and a teaching in the Martial Arts world. I train people to a pretty high level at my school and I have made plenty of Champions in my school, and I have had some of the best fighters in Indiana come to train with me. If it wasn't for your instructor asking you to do this for him I could recommend a lot of people that really need researched. But I wouldn't try to hurt someones reputation no matter how much I dislike them to get a rise in my area. I am sorry you had to contact me under these circumstances, and I hope your instructor and yourself find someone else that didn't get their rank through someone as I did to bash next time. I wasn't a self appointed BJJ Black Belt like some of the other frauds in this state, I trained and tested and have certificates, whether or not my instructors credentials are on the same level as your I don't know. I know Mr. Clingerman is one of the best in the State and runs a very nice school. I hope this helps you with what you really need. Like I said I am sorry you have been asked by your instructor to research another school in your state and you being is student already puts me in the bad position. I know how loyal students are to their instructors, especially since you have been with him over a year. Thanks for contacting me and I hope I helped you. Hopefully you don't continue to bash me or my instructor and you look into some real frauds in this state instead of someone who came through the ranks from white belt under a instructor.




Mr. Hamby,

Thank you for being forthcoming with the information. My relationship with Bullshido far precedes my relationship with James. Yes, he's my instructor. However this does not influence me in the slightest. I, and bullshido, pride ourselves on our impartiality while conducting investigations. We've had a number of investigated individuals actually turn out to be totally legit with all their claims and we make it a point to keep that information visible so people understand there's no wrong doing. Just for clarity's sake I hope you won't mind just giving me a quick list answer to all the bullet points I listed. We actually care about all information, not just BJJ and Judo. If it turns out that you are a victim of being fraudulently awarded rank we will proceed to further check into them. If they are legit instructors with legit rank and then there will be no bashing. In fact if there is bashing of a legitimate instructor I'll make it a point to discipline those individuals as I am an administrator on the site. All I need is:

- What competitions/orgs awarded you a State Championship?
- What shows you've fought on, and the results (and whether amateur or pro).
- Which organization and instructor your earned your TKD BB under.
- Who gave you your BJJ Black Belt. (I believe you said this is Phil Jones. Is he Phil Jones of House of Pain/Crawfords MMA/American JuJitsu by chance?)
- Who gave you your JJJ BB?
- Who gave your your AJJ BB? (I'm going to assume this is the same Phil Jones, but correct me if I'm wrong)
- Who gave your your Black Sash in Tai Chi?
- Who gave you your 5th Dan in MMA?
- Who gave you your 2nd Dan in Judo? (Was this tied to Phil Jones as well?)
- What grappling competitions have you competed in?

Thank you for being prompt in your replies, and forthcoming with information. As mentioned before any instructors that you provide will not be attacked if their credentials are legitimate. Thanks again.

Yours Sincerely,
Paul Romer


Still more coming...