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ArrogantBastard
2/15/2011 3:59am,
I've been using FiveFingers for over a year now, and several times while in Army PT's.

Just today, someone told me that they were not allowed anymore and then blabbed on about some mass email. Obviously, I ignored said person because it wasn't banned in my unit's uniform policy nor does AR 670-1 ban minimalist shoes. However, I checked a little deeper on the issue and found this:

http://birthdayshoes.com/u-s-army-outlaws-vibram-five-fingers

According to this information, they may have been banned in TRADOC. Apparently this means that the Army is looking deeper into minimalist shoes before making an Army-wide decision.

This will make me a very sad panda. FiveFingers are great when lifting weights and I can run in them without having my knees hurt.

Does anyone have anymore information on this?

And what is everyone's opinion on this issue? Should minimalist shoes be banned?

Muerteds
2/15/2011 12:10pm,
I looked at the title to the thread and thought, "You know, we had a barracks whore we called 'Five Fingers'; I wonder how she got into a uniform discussion?" I am now sadly disappointed.

Reminiscing aside, you're asking the most conservative organization you can think of to update its policies in less than a decadal time span. Easier to ban the things than put effort into researching them. Is it right? Probably not. Will they do it and expect you to shut up and drive on? Undoubtedly.

wetware
2/15/2011 12:38pm,
Keep in mind that "Banned in TRADOC" does not mean banned. TRADOC is only one command of many. RUMINT says that it may soon be Army wide, however.

Gabetuno
2/15/2011 12:49pm,
For what it's worth, healthy soldiers are good soldiers. Some of the best military in history have functioned essentially on no footwear, and without the aid of vehicles. If, as the science shows, running long distances on nearly bare feet keeps you stronger and fitter, than banning that footwear is anti-utilitarian.

Gezere
2/16/2011 9:17am,
Keep in mind that "Banned in TRADOC" does not mean banned. TRADOC is only one command of many. RUMINT says that it may soon be Army wide, however.

Yep. Soon it will be Army wide despite the benefits and its all because of LOOKS. It doesn't look professional enough. Sad but true.

ArrogantBastard
2/17/2011 4:29am,
Yep. Soon it will be Army wide despite the benefits and its all because of LOOKS. It doesn't look professional enough. Sad but true.

Unfortunately.

I'm gonna try out these in the mean time: http://www.saucony.com/store/SiteController/saucony/staticpage?content=Kinvara_saucony&CID=Print-Kinvara

I'm using Nike Free's as my "regular" running shoe and they aren't cutting it. I was also thinking about getting Mizuno Wave 3, but they might be classified as running flats, which may also be banned in potential regulation changes.

Too many people, with too much time, having too many "great ideas"...that tend to ruin my fun.

Phrost
2/17/2011 7:59am,
I don't know why you'd get those Sauconys over the Frees, those have a lot more padding than the 5.0 and 3.0 (the least cushion of the Frees).

I read somewhere that the Air Force just authorized the Vibrams for PT.

PointyShinyBurn
2/17/2011 8:18am,
Vivo Barefoot do minimal shoes that look like normal trainers:
http://www.vivobarefoot.com/uk/mens/evo-1162.html/

ArrogantBastard
2/18/2011 4:56am,
I don't know why you'd get those Sauconys over the Frees, those have a lot more padding than the 5.0 and 3.0 (the least cushion of the Frees).

I read somewhere that the Air Force just authorized the Vibrams for PT.

I don't know what it is, but the Frees aren't very comfortable. The gravel everywhere doesn't help either (it gets stuck easily in the outsoles).

The Sauconys don't have all those crevices and apparently have a lower difference in forefoot/heal height. So despite having a little more cushioning, it may facilitate a gait similar to FiveFingers.

Phrost
2/18/2011 10:14am,
Well here's the thing, if you really want to do barefoot style running without actually going barefoot, just get a pair of aqua shoes. I keep a pair like these in my trunk in case I forget my regular shoes and still want to go to the gym:

http://www.swimoutlet.com/photos/options/11374-28183.jpg

You could probably get away with them too, as long as they're not too obviously styled. And you can get most of them for less than $20.

Carpe Noctem
2/24/2011 7:01pm,
Merrell is coming out with a "barefoot" line that look like conventional shoes. Minimal padding, wide forefoot and zero drop. And they have a Vibram sole. Looks pretty promising.

Cassius
2/24/2011 8:51pm,
Merrell is coming out with a "barefoot" line that look like conventional shoes. Minimal padding, wide forefoot and zero drop. And they have a Vibram sole. Looks pretty promising.They're already out, if you happen to have a prodeal with Merrell :)

kazimer
2/25/2011 12:54am,
It all depends on where you go. a company commander can write a policy letter authorizing it. just make sure to run with a billboard explaining it or you will be doing more explaining than PT as everyone will feel the need to stop and "correct you"

i just end up changing clothes as soon as we break for PT. Cant tell me what civvies to wear

Jim_Jude
2/25/2011 3:00am,
For what it's worth, healthy soldiers are good soldiers. Some of the best military in history have functioned essentially on no footwear, and without the aid of vehicles. If, as the science shows, running long distances on nearly bare feet keeps you stronger and fitter, than banning that footwear is anti-utilitarian.

You should get some Army docs, podiatrists, to submit reports on how such footwear as FiveFingers are anything but detrimental. The military can be pretty retarded but this is a silly issue, banning PT footwear. It's not like soldiers are trying to wear these:
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ArrogantBastard
2/25/2011 5:08am,
There's probably some stubborn fool somewhere losing sleep because I wore silly looking shoes.

They are doing some research/testing on that new PT test, so maybe there is hope. I think one of the main things they were looking at was running related injuries; although I wouldn't be surprised if they still ban minimalist shoes Army wide anyway.

Jim_Jude
2/25/2011 5:19am,
There's probably some stubborn fool somewhere losing sleep because I wore silly looking shoes.

They are doing some research/testing on that new PT test, so maybe there is hope. I think one of the main things they were looking at was running related injuries; although I wouldn't be surprised if they still ban minimalist shoes Army wide anyway.

Me neither. The funny thing is, though, is that PT & running in minimalist shoes strengthens the foot and ankle & this would actually REDUCE the chance of injuries.
Not that it matters, the military is usually in "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mode when it comes to damn near everything, & if you can't convince a panel of 4-stars Pentagon Generals somewhere you're not going to make any changes.