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Muerteds
12/05/2010 10:27pm,
I got this via a pop-up ad the other night, and couldn't help but be sucked into the crazy: http://www.multipliedforce.com/nerve/.

I did a search for Joe Carslake here on Bullshido, but didn't find anything. I did find more on the web at this site:http://www.maa-i.com/who/5/James_A__Gordon/Jody_Perry/Joe_Carslake/hauptteil_joe_carslake.html

There are a few things there that bother me, "nerve points" and mysterious teachers aside. One, Mr. Carslake says he was awarded the Prof. Henry Okazaki Award by "the Dan Zan Ryu". What Dan Zan Ryu? There are a number of danzan ryu organizations. None of them seem to give out a "Prof. Henry Okazaki" award, nor anything like it. He also claims a "Lamplighter Award". There are a number of Lamplighter awards, one of which is for literature, and one of which seems to be for improving the Jewish Community. I couldn't find a reference to a martial arts-related Lamplighter Award.

Ok, you ask, but why bring crappy nerve points here? Well, Mr. Carslake also claims a hachidan in danzan ryu jujitsu, and I can't find the DZR organization he's done it through. He does seem to have a presence here: http://www.ijjk.net/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1. There's not much there with regards to their ties to danzan ryu. There's not much there in general, aside from limited information on their personally created styles. There is a little wrong information about a hanbo vs. a jo, but that's just nitpicking.

So does anyone know anything about Mr. Carslake? I would be happy to accept legitimate DZR rank, and just laugh at his silly advertisement. However, after some sniffing around, it seems I should also regard his rank as suspect.

atomicpoet
12/05/2010 10:35pm,
Why the hell did you type all this out in Comic Sans?

Necroyunus
12/05/2010 10:37pm,
well these kinds of articles/posts etc. really gets on MY nerves thats for sure.

also, lolz at comic sans

RoughRobot
12/06/2010 5:23am,
well these kinds of articles/posts etc. really gets on MY nerves thats for sure.

also, lolz at comic sans

I prefer Papyrus.

Yoj
12/06/2010 7:50am,
His name has bounced around e-budo a bit.

madmonkey
12/07/2010 1:48pm,
I went to a SENI event at the Excel centre in London a couple of years ago and Joe Carslake was taking a class on "pressure points" there which I gave a go. I can't comment on his titles, I did a little dig on google at the time but again not much came up.

The techniques he taught were more rough and consisted more of taking a hard part of your body and driving/digging it hard into the soft part of the other person eg Brachial nerve, jugular, mandibular angle, solar plexus. They were effective when properly applies and I can certainly vouch from the pain aspect. He demoed one on me and seemed competent and able as an instructor.

I would guess nerve points are to differentiate from the Dillman/DSI style of pressure points where it is more "mystical" and related to theories of chi, Joe Carslake's style was more like dirty judo/ old jiujitsu

Muerteds
12/07/2010 4:30pm,
Madmonkey, thanks for the input. I'm not surprised by the "dirty jujitsu" angle, though I know a lot of the same things, and don't need shitty marketing to teach it :).

I will continue to laugh at his silly websales pitch, and am still not convinced his claims about rank and awards aren't a crock. But hey, I've been wrong before.

Hedgehogey
12/07/2010 4:57pm,
http://m.assetbar.com/uua9CMFJs.gif

I mean not that I don't support wedgies for people who teach "pressure points" and all.

RoughRobot
12/08/2010 9:10am,
Joe was originally trained under a Japanese Ex- Prisoner of War! A guy who had been actually trained personally by the Japanese military as some sort of experiment!


SOLD!

madmonkey
12/08/2010 2:14pm,
googling Hanshi no iinkai brought up this website
http://hanshinoiinkai.org/

Joe Carslake appears as an Irish member

http://hanshinoiinkai.org/members.htm

A search for Stephen Grayston brought up the following where it is stated that he was "exposed" on ebudo and Mr Carslake is mentioned by one of the posters as "being a good martial artist" but with a made up background.

Any1 Heard of Stephen Grayston 10th Dan Shindo-Ryu Karate? - boards.ie (http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054998563)

Not sure on the validity of any of these claims just throwing it out there if useful

also found this which throws a bit more light on mr grayston
http://martialarts.myfreeforum.org/sutra372.php

Graystons new org is called Kodo butoku renmei and their website is below. Mr carslake is a "bucho" for Ireland whatever that means

http://www.kodobutokurenmei.org/members.html

Simon Keegan
3/15/2011 8:11am,
Can't really comment on his grades, titles and this DVD or whatever it is, but I will say I attended a few of Sensei Carslakes seminars round about 2001-2003 and they were superb.

All realism, no faffing round with compliant ukes just sensible hard hitting Jujutsu.

He hit me with a strike to the inner thigh. I can't say whether it was a nerve point or a pressure point but it hurt like buggery for about a week.

He was also very good with a Tanjo/Escrima stick.

Never heard a bad word said about his skills, and he's got a captivating way of getting the message across.

No vested interest in him. Haven't seen the fella for eight years or so, but I did enjoy his seminars and there was no "chi knockouts" hocus pocus or any of that twaddle.

Hope that helps.

Eddie Hardon
3/15/2011 6:46pm,
Interesting. Hmm. I have long seen Joe Carslake as a very senior JJ grade but I know nothing really about him myself. COMBAT mag has mentioned him in the context of SENI, to boost interest and encourage readers to book the seminars, and he was one of those listed.

I do know Sensei Martin Dixon and shall probably see him in May so I might broach the topic and ask for his view. No guarantees.

Stephen Grayston also got a lot of space in COMBAT as he seemed to be one of the drivers towards KARATE ENGLAND, the new Karate umbrella group for all styles. They even got funding BUT it all collapsed in acrimony with the person nominated as Treasurer (I stand to be corrected here) basically running them into the ground and they were bankrupted. Oddly, the Board paid for this chap to build an extension to his house for Office space AND paid him Motor Mileage and more 1 year in advance....speechless.

This chap also threatened one of the 6th Dans - it wasn't Terry O'Neil, that's for sure. Most of this made The Times and is a warning to all. They got an awful lot of public money first - more so than any other group.

Mr Grayston was written up in COMBAT as 10th Dan but - really - did he do the Time?

Thassit. Don't know more than that...

Colin
3/15/2011 6:57pm,
Ehh.. there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with his ability, why buy into bullshit hype marketing? ahh that's right, money.

It's actually a motivation I can respect, but IMO his 'dirty jujutsu' looks very similiar to the 'dirty jujutsu' I used to do, before I knew any jujutsu.


by the way:

Simon Keegan
Join Date
Aug 2008
Posts 3

3 posts in 3 years? This guy is like the most amazing awesome lurker of all time.

Anyone who thinks they are alone, are wrong. Keegan is fukking lurking, and he knows who you are.

TaeBo_Master
3/15/2011 11:04pm,
Ehh.. there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with his ability, why buy into bullshit hype marketing? ahh that's right, money.

It's actually a motivation I can respect, but IMO his 'dirty jujutsu' looks very similiar to the 'dirty jujutsu' I used to do, before I knew any jujutsu.


by the way:

Simon Keegan
Join Date
Aug 2008
Posts 3

3 posts in 3 years? This guy is like the most amazing awesome lurker of all time.

Anyone who thinks they are alone, are wrong. Keegan is fukking lurking, and he knows who you are.

Great, now I gotta check under the bed before I go to sleep at night

Simon Keegan
3/16/2011 5:34am,
Here we go - four posts in three years. I tend more towards the other martial arts forums normally since until recently, I found this one annoying because of its pop-ups and annoying typefaces. Maybe it's because I use an old Mac instead of a PC. But I digress, the site looks a lot better now.

Regarding Mr Grayston, he did used to be in Traditional Karate magazine a lot which is now part of Combat mag. I don't recall him having much to do with Karate England, and he certainly has little if anything to do with the English Karate Federation.

I was there at the launch of the EKF. I saw Ticky Donovan, John Van Weenan, Terry Wingrove and many of the usual suspects but Mr G was not there.

I have never met or trained with Mr Grayston but there is a lengthy thread on e-budo exposing his credentials. Upshot is, he started Wado Ryu Karate with Ray Barrow in about 1984 and trained a bit with Dave Hazard. He graded 1st or 2nd Dan at best. His other grades are either self-awarded or awarded by his own organisations which include the Hanshi no Inkai, the Kodosai etc.

His claims to have studied Kobayashi Ryu since the 1960s have been exposed as false. He even scanned in a picture of a Japanese politician off a Japanese bank note and said it was his teacher.

He was "presented" with his 9th and 10th Dan certificates by people like Vernon Bell and an admin clerk from the Japanese Embassy, but this was all contrived.

He dishes out 7th Dans, 8th Dans and Hanshi titles like they were sweets.

Right, back under the bed for me now. See you in three years.

Simon Keegan
3/16/2011 6:32am,
By the way, this group is the source of the Danzan Ryu and Lamplighter award (see Mr Carslake's name under the 9th Dan section):

http://www.shoshinryu.com/index.php?page=black-belt-honor-roll