i would like to know about bajiquan

[rooseveltdon]

Hey guys i would really like to know more about bajiquan and its effectiveness,is it as good as i have heard people claim it is? if so please explain...i wouild also like to know more about the five animel styles in kung fu snake,tiger,dragon,crane and leopard and i would like to know if they are any good as well....

[It is Fake]

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=50958

Baji now go read.

[shmuel]

Adam Hsu really rates Baji. He calls it "Kung Fu's Magnum force".

Here is some footage of him doing it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYikolf7udw

[Guizzy]

Adam Hsu really rates Baji. He calls it "Kung Fu's Magnum force".

Here is some footage of him doing it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYikolf7udw
Geez, there are toilets for that!

[ojgsxr6]

Are there any Bajiquan school in NY, LI specifically.

[Scott Larson]

Just play Virtua Fighter, Akira will teach you.

[AAAhmed46]

Just play Virtua Fighter, Akira will teach you.
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[lungjian]

Well, there's the original style of BaJiQuan, and then there's the modified version that 99% of the world knows. Nothing wrong with a modified style, but it's funny when practioners who don't realize their style is modified then denigrate people who do the original version, calling it "wrong".

There is (or was) a lost 2 man set to BaJiQuan that involved full force strikes. It would be interesting to find references to that, or a lineage that has preserved it, even in modified form.

[Ronin.74]

Well, there's the original style of BaJiQuan, and then there's the modified version that 99% of the world knows. Nothing wrong with a modified style, but it's funny when practioners who don't realize their style is modified then denigrate people who do the original version, calling it "wrong".

There is (or was) a lost 2 man set to BaJiQuan that involved full force strikes. It would be interesting to find references to that, or a lineage that has preserved it, even in modified form.

There are actually many versions of Baji, some are just more widespread than others. Could you possibly clarify which is the "Original Baji"

In my experience all of the Baji I've seen has shared many similar traits, even though their routines were different. Naturally many of the different systems floating around out there were modified over time, this basically happens to a greater of lesser extent with all systems.

As far as a two man set, any two man set can be done with full force strikes if the participants want to. It would be odd for them to have a two man set that didn't do full force strikes and then to have a completely different two man set that did. For the record I do know a Baji two man set.

If you could tell me who you consider to have the "Original Baji" or who was the first teacher of the "Original Baji" I would appreciate it, I have a good lineage chart on Baji from China, if you provide me with a name I can see if and where it falls on the chart.

[It is Fake]

There is (or was) a lost 2 man set to BaJiQuan that involved full force strikes. It would be interesting to find references to that, or a lineage that has preserved it, even in modified form.
This kind of statement I always find funny. All two man sets are supposed to be done full force. The fact that they aren't proves how bad kung fu has degenerated.

[lungjian]

Ronin.74 - Excellent point about the inevitable variations of any style. What I understand to be the original style had 2 empty hand forms and the 2 man set. The relaxing and full body tension upon completion of the moves that characterizes Baji seems to have largely been perverted to posing with limited tension, or tension mainly in the arms and legs.

"It is Fake" - I should clarify. The original BaJi 2 man set involved full force strikes to the bodies of the participants.

[It is Fake]

"It is Fake" - I should clarify. The original BaJi 2 man set involved full force strikes to the bodies of the participants.
Cool. Again that is the original purpose of 2-Man sets.

[Ronin.74]

Ronin.74 - Excellent point about the inevitable variations of any style. What I understand to be the original style had 2 empty hand forms and the 2 man set. The relaxing and full body tension upon completion of the moves that characterizes Baji seems to have largely been perverted to posing with limited tension, or tension mainly in the arms and legs.

"It is Fake" - I should clarify. The original BaJi 2 man set involved full force strikes to the bodies of the participants.

In my experience what your describing as the "original" is just an abbreviated curriculum. I train Huo style as it was handed down from Li Shu Wen > Huo Dian Ge > Huo Qing Yun > Yuan Qing Chun and An Tian Rong (my teacher)

In addition to the 2 empty hand forms and the 2 man set there are 4 sets of training techniques, an additional form (that is taught later) and 5 weapons.

My instructor has commented on meeting other Baji instructors that have come down from the Li Shu Wen lineage via other Masters, on how they did not have knowledge of any of the 4 training sets or additional form and maybe only knew 1 or 2 of the weapons.

Now it is possible some of these things were added after Li Shu Wen by his disciple Huo Dian Ge, but if they were my instructor has no knowledge of it, as far as he is concerned they have always been part of the system. I will ask him tomorrow for confirmation and try to find out when other portions of the curriculum were added, if they were added at all.