Valid crticisms of the CMA Forum

[OZZ]

This thread is an absolute mess and is filled with the same sorts of arguments and stupidities that have been debated ad nauseum countless times...
I think this style forum is a great idea..but we are fighting an uphill battle here. Only about 10% of the people who post here are qualified to make judgments and assertions about CMA. Part of the problem is that people who should be asking are telling and the people who know are tired of having to sift through the rubbish.
I think this forum should be moderated more strictly. Stupid threads and redundant points/arguments should be deleted or moved.
Aesopian and his butt buddies in the grappling forums may be dicks, but at least they keep the idiots out.
I'm just making a general observation, not trying to criticize the staff..I just wish we could have better quality discussions here.

[ojgsxr6]

OZZ, I kind of agree that this thread is redundant, but what do you think would be a good discussion for the CMA style forum? I actually think that Bear1980 is troll, and people give these trolls too much attention?

[UpaLumpa]

Only about 10% of the people who post here are qualified to make judgments and assertions about CMA. Part of the problem is that people who should be asking are telling and the people who know are tired of having to sift through the rubbish.

Bullshit can be detected regardless of how many years I have or haven't studied duckwing fuck fu.

[It is Fake]

This thread is an absolute mess and is filled with the same sorts of arguments and stupidities that have been debated ad nauseum countless times...
I think this style forum is a great idea..but we are fighting an uphill battle here. Only about 10% of the people who post here are qualified to make judgments and assertions about CMA. Part of the problem is that people who should be asking are telling and the people who know are tired of having to sift through the rubbish.
I think this forum should be moderated more strictly. Stupid threads and redundant points/arguments should be deleted or moved.
Aesopian and his butt buddies in the grappling forums may be dicks, but at least they keep the idiots out.
I'm just making a general observation, not trying to criticize the staff..I just wish we could have better quality discussions here.
Hmmm interesting. You rarely post in here anyway. I cleaned up the chun thread. I cleaned up the Kempo knee attack thread. The KFDW thread is still here because, I'm waiting to see if it erupts again.

Notice when I was being strict two other forum leaders asked me to back off to get traffic up. If you add Omega that is three. I partially agree if we want more traffic.

Remeber how Aesops and Shuma's forum was at first? I do and it was vacant for a few months. Once they added content, hosting videos, and controlling it with an iron fist, it is now a great example.


Sorry, no matter how much we may want the KF forum to be like that it won't happen. There is way to much delusion that exists.

Personally, I think Bear is a guy like me when I was into my Shaolin-Do delusion. Anything said, critiquing the art, was met with outright hostility and personal attacks.

Of course, I didn't inflate my rank.

Seriously, show me specific threads, besides this one and the KFDW thread that I need to move to Trollshido, so we can see where it needs to go.

As long as Upa and the grapplers provide decent arguments I'm not moving them out. So, far none of them have done anything shitty IMO.

[It is Fake]

So again we now have two questions I would like answered.

A reason not to rip this thread to shreds.
Specific threads that aren't up to your standards.


My honest opinion is we aren't doing to badly. We seem to get the most traffic (thank god there is no ninja sub forum) out of the style sub-forums.

[OZZ]

This bear 1980 or whatever is a blatant troll and should be banned..
I don't give a shit if the grapplers post here as long as they are not trolling. I welcome open debate with people from other styles.
Threads like this get ruined by trolls and stupidity. If you want an example of a thread that should be deleted look at the 'I need advice on how to fught a kung fu guy' nonsense thread. It is that sort of thing that invites stupidity and useless comments.
Personally, I liked it better when the CMA forum was by invitation only. It wasn't busy, but at least there were no troll jobs and stupid threads.

[It is Fake]

Part of a thread clean up from here:

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=54289

[It is Fake]

OZZ this isn't a thread to call you out. It is a good topic that started with your post.

[Tom Kagan]

I'm just making a general observation, not trying to criticize the staff..I just wish we could have better quality discussions here.


I'm not sure if it was explicitly stated, but IMO one of the purposes of this sub-forum being open to the public and not invitation only is to have reasonable CMAers speak using their own language to other CMAers who are not reasonable but perhaps reachable.

But, yes, I'll have to agree it is a difficult balancing act between a LOLerfest and substance. You still need enough traffic and drama to attract enough quality posters who will contribute to any sub-forum's intended purpose.

[It is Fake]

Son of this thread:

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=54289

[isol8d]

Now, if you want to tell us what you want in the CMA Style forum cool.


I'd like to not have made up styles for HARHAR value in posts. No wild general statements that kung fu does work, or doesn't. If you want to call bullshit, call it on the style, not the general populace of CMA.

Example:

Wah Lum NPM Kung Fu doesn't spar a lot and they win a lot of form competitions.

Not:

Kung fu doesn't work because all they do is forms.

A general agreement that a lot of CMA training is antiquated. That would solve a lot of bullshit arguments.

Hidden techniques, chi blasts, dim mak, etc, should all be in Bullshido main forum. Can we all agree to that?

Not all chinese martial artists want to spar. It's true enough in my school. More power to them, for 99% of us, this is a hobby.

[Ming Loyalist]

Alright. I'm going to move posts to trollshido. This isn't a lets attack upa when he is outside of DHS thread.

Unlike Virus, Upa makes valid points. He does make trollish statements but, so do I. The whole shitfest with Bear1980 is my fault.


Now, if you want to tell us what you want in the CMA Style forum cool.

Attacking upa, or a specific member, isn't going to happen in this thread.

this isn't about attacking upa at all.

it's about the purpose of these sub forums.

i don't think we should put up with dumb style-bashing comments from grapplers in here any more than they should put up with dumb comments from strikers in DHS.

YMAS was created for that, and the sub forums were created with serious discussion in mind. why should we allow upa or anyone else to shit up our threads?

i feel that when a TCMA poster comes on here trying to defend dim mak, no touch knockouts or some other bullshit, the criticism that we give carries far more weight without all the "fuck fu" comments from the peanut gallery who have nothing constructive to add to the discussion at hand.

when long time TCMA practitioners like mr. mantis or i attack a LARPer, we take away the automatic and very common defense that we are just a bunch of BJJ nutriders in here.

all it takes is one dumb comment from upa or anyone else who is a BJJ practitioner to give the LARPer the excuse that they are just being bullied by the "BJJ ownz U" crowd.

[It is Fake]

I'd like to not have made up styles for HARHAR value in posts. No wild general statements that kung fu does work, or doesn't. If you want to call bullshit, call it on the style, not the general populace of CMA.

Example:

Wah Lum NPM Kung Fu doesn't spar a lot and they win a lot of form competitions.

Not:

Kung fu doesn't work because all they do is forms.Interesting point.

A general agreement that a lot of CMA training is antiquated. That would solve a lot of bullshit arguments. Many of us agree. Thing is I can't/won't push a person out if they discuss it intelligently. Seriously, this is the most traffic in awhile. OZZ, Ming Loyalist, upa, El Macho. Oldman, are more observers than talkers. They have all left comments.

Now maybe you can see the catch-22. I iron clamp it like has been suggested and no one posts. Or I let people, like upa who stay on topic, make silly/inflammatory comments that drive people here.

Hidden techniques, chi blasts, dim mak, etc, should all be in Bullshido main forum. Can we all agree to that?No. I disagree. These specific things gave rise to the stigma inside of CMA.

Not all chinese martial artists want to spar. It's true enough in my school. More power to them, for 99% of us, this is a hobby. This is a topic for an entirely different thread.

[dwhomp]

Part of the reason I DO enjoy to post and read here is because I get so fucking tired of the Chi-munching, teacher-history, and mystic and pointless crap that happens so frequently on other forums that I pop in on from time to time. Some of the thread titles are enough to make one vomit.

But truth of the matter is that many of the grapplers are just as blind and full of shit as the CMA-ers.

But what I do like is when the grapplers can contribute here among the non-full-of-shiters, of which I maybe arrogantly place myself into. I dont have much yet to contribute to the grapplers but as I perhaps get some video work done of my "d34dly 4nt1-crapple" work, I will.

And by the same token, I cant toss much in about styles and what not cause I dont know dick about em. But mostly I assume a CMA system is full of shit unless there is some evidence otherwise, so in this respect, I may be a part of the problem too.

But by the same token, no one watches a soap opera without drama...

[OZZ]

I would have responded sooner, but I have been up north fishing all weekend ..
I already stated that I was in no way trying to criticize IIF?or Omega or any of the staff who moderate this forum. I think the cleaning up that has been done is sufficient.
I read pretty much everything that goes up here. But I rarely post. This is for a couple of reasons.
The first is because I have discussions on and about many aspects of CMA on a weekly basis at the very least. There is not too much about my own style or its history that anyone here can enlighten me on. My interest in other styles of CMA are quite minimal. With the exception of Hung Gar and SPM...
Although I have spent time doing both Northern and Southern sets over the years and have developed decent short fist fighting skills. I am just a beginner with authentic pak mei and don't have the knowledge to discuss the style in any great depth. I leave that to Mike( my instructor) or lee (sijo of our kwoon and Mike's teacher) or small (senior student). This is done out of respect for them and is the proper way to do things.
Also, people could come on here and post brilliant things and it could sound like they know their shit. But they could be re iterating what they heard on an instructional DVD..(I KNOW this has been done before)
One thing that happens when you talk too much about things is it gives the pretenders the language they need to lie and appear knowledgable.
Anyways, drove over 8 hours to get home today. Time for bed

[It is Fake]

Because people don't either give a fuck or recognize a greater problem in the thread. I posted my objection to the subforums awhile ago because Cullion's nonsense would go unnoticed if it weren't for the thread titles. Similarly if Virus is around fucking up threads, I've no idea. Regardless Virus has better than even odds of being right.Okay, you are king of video and proof. Show me a thread in here that allows delusions to exist. Read the thread not the thread title. Then you have an argumanet against this sub forum and I would side with you.



So, like I said he did say as much. In fact it is what he's arguing in the first posts on this thread. It's the crux of his argument on this thread (wherever this thread came from).Yes, you win you out trolled Cracky. See what you want, you and Cullion are different sides of the same damn coin.