Dog Style: the Chinese Grapple?

[LI GUY 1]

So I remeber reading this book a few years ago that described a lot of different Chinese styles. It was a small red paperback that had summaries on each style, its strength, origin, etc. A brief book but interesting.

Anyway my point is I came across the Dog Style Kung Fu as one of the styles. It mentioned it was a very dangerous style. Practitioners would try and scissor the legs to take the opponent down and finish him on the ground.

I shit you not, I'm going to get find this book as I read it at a local library.

Lastly it was mentioned the best way to fight a Dog Style practitioner was to be very fast/evasive and try and throw objects at them. Pretty much get a weapon. I'm positive, but will be sure in a few days, that the book was printed pre-UFC. It was obviously not popular and made no mention of any other groundfighting or MMA. All Chinese kung fu.


Anyways enjoy in anticipation, anyone else heard of this?

[ojgsxr6]

From what little research I've done, I found that dog style is mainly a striking art. Think takedown and ground and pound. I've never heard or read of a Chinese art that would be comparable to BJJ.

[Hands]

A guy demonstrated a little bit of the style, he picked it up somewhere in south america. I haven't seen much of it though. Yeah, there's some groundfighting components in some chinese styles but you sure don't see much of it. I know there's some mixed in with the Mongolian I'm learning but there's not much discussion of whats mixed in.

I like the defense against the style, just like you would against any dog. Does it mention a rolled-up newspaper?

[MartialArtN00b]

Ive heard about it while perusing steve morris' biography. And unfortunately,this vid was posted:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcPlwAOkl6I


But any animal has a degree of grappling such as takedowns and throws. But i figure its trained so poorly as to become nonexistant.

And you gotta look pretty hard for people to even talk about it.
http://venus.secureguards.com/~aikidog-/aikicenter/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=264&sid=233a5e90c31242fbdcceb49354c69d27

Scroll down on the link above, and youll see jason delucia poste excerpts of an old chinese manual on grappling.

[socratic]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_Kung_Fu

It would appear to be fairly rare, since Wikipedia has little beyond origins and a link with women who had been foot-taped.

[GRAB MY WRIST]

I kid you not... but each time my dog have his little fun with his bitch, I see lots of guard pulling and mount play. I guess, men do follow animal's behaviour.

GMW

[WorldWarCheese]

I think I might've seen an add for your little red book a loooooong time ago when I first saw TMNT and figured I'd either be a Kung Fu master or a Ninja when I grew up. Doggy Style (you should've seen this coming) focuses mainly on leg sweeps and then kicks to KO the person while you're both on the ground and shit. The only sub I saw related to them was a takedown that looked a lot like a foot sweep.

I got most of my info from some website about the "Traveling Scholar" where for exhorbinant amounts of cash you travel to train in China with "Masters" the Doggy Style was one of them (as well as those o-so-famous Shaolin Fighting Monks)

[LI GUY 1]

Cool, obviously it was probably practiced like in the vid, as all the other kung fu usually is. Two man drills and forms. I just thought it funny how it was refered to as an unorthodox and dangerous style. That video fits in line with the description of "scissoring" to take down.

[glad2bhere]

The only "dog style" that I am familiar with seem to rely on seizing, mounting or pinning a person and then using a striking or kicking technique to inflict damage. I guess one could say that the classic "lapel-grab with a cross-punch" would be a kind of quintessential "dog technique" from this POV. Is this the sort of material people are talking about? Thoughts?

Best Wishes,

Bruce

[Guizzy]

Lastly it was mentioned the best way to fight a Dog Style practitioner was to be very fast/evasive and try and throw objects at them. Pretty much get a weapon. I'm positive, but will be sure in a few days, that the book was printed pre-UFC. It was obviously not popular and made no mention of any other groundfighting or MMA. All Chinese kung fu.There is a style of Chinese Grapple, a pretty important one in the history of kung fu and possibly one of the oldest kung fu styles.

Shuai Jiao. It's very similar to Judo; a lot of throws.

*EDIT: Silly me, just noticed that's what Hands do.

[Mr. Mantis]

CMA has lots of grappling, just not so much ground grappling.

[Ming Loyalist]

dog boxing.

yes it exists. it is rare and hard to find much info, really. at one point my sifu sent me on a fact finding mission and i found a book on it for him, but it looked like most of it was directly related to judo stuff (like the armbar from mount.) and the book had really bad explanations and was badly done.

they also have some standing leg locks, but they would not be effective against a sambo practitioner, because there is no isolation of the leg.

my sigung did train a bit of it, and he taught some to my sifu, but it doesn't seem to be a very comprehensive style and as has been said, relies a lot on ground and pound.

we found a lot more interesting ground stuff in bando to be honest.

[Kira_84]

Just watched a documentary on shaolin, from the documentary apparently dog style is derived from the principle of Wu xing quan (5 form combat technic). seen this on one of the documentary on shaolin made by national geography. ive seen part of this documentary on youtube if i find the correct section ill post it up lata.

[IzzyDaHedgehog]

The book you're talking about is "Chinese Boxing: Masters and Methods" by Robert Smith. I own it, but it's in Chicago and I'm in Tulsa. Somehow I'll try to remind myself to grab it next time I'm there.

[burningmonk]

As I understand the history of Jujitsu, it came from monks that practiced Shingon Buddhism in China, and came to Japan fleeing persecution because of the mystical nature of Shingon.
Grappling is in CMA (Tai Chi is a medium range art the emphasizes grapling), but it is done in conjunction with striking, not by itself. Jujitsu focuses on the grappling aspect, and does not focus on the striking.
I haven't heard of Dog style, but would be interested in learning about it's roots.

[It is Fake]

The book you're talking about is "Chinese Boxing: Masters and Methods" by Robert Smith. I own it, but it's in Chicago and I'm in Tulsa. Somehow I'll try to remind myself to grab it next time I'm there.
Here are two Chinese text books.

http://www.plumpub.com/sales/chinese/chinbks_trad5.htm

There are two books on this page. Approx numbers eight and twelve.



http://www.satirio.com/ma/dishuquan/methodology.html

This site has pics on what little I've seen or read on Dog Boxing. Please ignore the"complete art" nonsense. Just getting some pics for curiosities sake.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnkmgQRM69U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzkTlAoUnyk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_yBUN63skc

A lot of it looks like moves from Monkey Kung fu.