Flowing with your opponent

[Justme]

When grappling, do any of you ever get the feeling that your relaxed, and just moving with your opponent, manuevering him into a point to submit him. While the action might be intense you feel smooth and fluent moving from one technique to another?

[cyrijl]

no, but my grappling partners do.

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Anyone who makes a quick movement near me is going to get kicked in the face----WTDude

[deus ex machina]

I wish I could feel that relaxed. When I roll with my instructor, he just chills. Like, he sat on me the other day, literally. And I couldn't even escape, it was sad.

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danny

"That baby better watch his mouth. I rape kids like him as part of my warm-up for raping teenagers, grown men, and eventually charging rhinos." - Boyd

[deus ex machina]

Well, I'm usually a very relaxed grappler, I just don't have the flow.

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danny

"That baby better watch his mouth. I rape kids like him as part of my warm-up for raping teenagers, grown men, and eventually charging rhinos." - Boyd

[thomasaaron]

Flowing is DIRECTLY and IRREVOCABLY linked to relaxation under fire.

For myself, I have to constantly remind myself to relax. When I get hit, that's a pretty good reminder, too.

"Did we whoop 'em again, Josie?
Yeah, boy. We whooped 'em again."
(The outlaw Josie Whales.)

[Justme]

The guy here in Cleveland that runs a Royce Gracie franchise has rolled with him, and he told me that was one of the things that impressed him was how easily Royce Gracie flowed from one technique to another.

I think clearing your mind and being able to relax in a stressful situation helps you to be able to react instinctively. What do you think?


Edited by - justme on August 01 2003 12:56:26

[MrMcFu]

Every now and then I get that. I had a great sequence with my instructor the other day, although I am sure he was being chartiable.

The sequence started with me getting about to get armbarred. I managed to block his leg at the last second and bridge, which he then Oma'ed me, which I rolled out of. From there, I managed a pretty fluid knee in stomach, which he then somehow got out of and then mounted (ground and pounded) me.

I am pretty hazy on the last two moves, but it was so sweet since it went fast.

We talked about it afterwards, agree that it was one of those moments where you go, "Damn, that is what 'insert art here' is all about!"

[thomasaaron]

That depends on what you mean by "instinctively." When you calm your mind and relax, your mind/body will react all by itself. However, it is usually reacting by using techniques/principles that you have trained in. So, I would say that it is an instinctive executing of trained techniques and principles. You see what I mean?

"Did we whoop 'em again, Josie?
Yeah, boy. We whooped 'em again."
(The outlaw Josie Whales.)

[Justme]

"So, I would say that it is an instinctive executing of trained techniques and principles. You see what I mean?"

Agree 100%. But doesn't it feel GOOD. I remember in my "old" days when I took the dreaded Tae Kwondo, I sparred a guy once (Light contact allowed) and everything seemed to just happen. And best of all, not to me!!! Not actually rolling in BJJ (although I would most like too) I think the same is true. You get to a point when things just kind of happen.

[Das Moose]

Chi Sau ;-)

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[panda]

i wish i had more flow too, some times i get it right and its mad cool, like one time i did was in a half guard so i managed to get my other leg out into full, and the other guy tried to push me down and i swung my leg around his head for a nice triangle lock, he manages to get his out and i "flowed" into an armbar

[Pandinha]

I am of the camp that wishes I could flow better. I'm still in the stage of using strength on people.

One of these days!



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"When we go to the ground, you are in my world. The ground is the ocean, I am the shark, and most people don't even know how to swim." RCJ Machado

[CrimsonTiger]

Bah. Strength rules! Just hit them! UGGA BUGGA! *drool*

I find that on the ground it's a lot easier to flow with your opponent than it is stand-up. Standing is more reading and leading, but you can physically pressure and guide your opponent on the ground...and you get better feedback through your grips.

Regards,
CrimsonTiger

"it always brings a smile to my face to know that there are people who jack off to the idea of being run over by their Dodge" - Boyd 25/07/2003

[PizDoff]

lol strength is fun as well

i guess the only way to train this flow is to practice more......



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Hard work, Patience, Dedication.

[Fisting Kittens]

I flow pretty well. I've never had a problem relaxing while fighting, and when I started grappling I had ZERO strength, so the only way I could win was with finesse. Now I have strength AND finesse.

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I have discovered the true essence of Bullshido: To crush your enemies. See them driven before you. And hear the lamentation of their women.
In short: to flame.

[Pandinha]

Fisting Kittens,

Any pointers you can throw an old thug who still uses strength and not finesse?

I ultimately would like to use both, as one. Right now, though I rely really too much on strength.



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"When we go to the ground, you are in my world. The ground is the ocean, I am the shark, and most people don't even know how to swim." RCJ Machado