Hit first????

[J-kid]

Just curious what do you guys think about hitting first in a fight.

The plus with hitting first would be surprise and the fact there guard is not up.

The bad part is they can sue you for assaulting them even if they where just about to attack you.


What do you guys think????

[Darting Fingers]

I've been taught that alot of fights follow a similar pattern that goes something like this (bar being jumped , ambushed etc.) - eye contact , verbal ie. "what are you lookin at?" , second verbal , then threat ie "I'm gonna smash you" , gap is bridged , then strike . Obviously there is a number of things that fit in between and the whole thing can take seconds or minutes . But in my country once that threat is made and the gap is bridged (not 100% cause fuked if it is and you haven't done anything) the assault has started and you can hit first to protect yourself . Rule of thumb though the person who hits first and hits hardest usually wins .

[Omega the Merciless]

Hitting first is fun. They go down you laugh you're ass off, then you run before they remember what you look like and they call the police.


I hit first only if they intend on hitting me first. No, that's not as stupid as it sounds. Three times that I can remember, I have had some guy reel back to hit me so I quick punch them in the face. Then all his whining bitchy friends claim I started the fight because I managed to hit first. Fuckem, I still didn't get arrested because I had the sober witnesses.

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Official WTDude Badass Evil Genius

[Vertecles]

Hit 1st & hit hard.

The alterantive is NOT an option!
Just ask yourself -Do you think your opponent would show you mercy?

As for the legality of it all(speaking from personal experience here), If you feel you are being threatened & the only option is to fight, then the law will "usually" be on your side, provided that you shut your mouth about your MA training.
The law does not like martial artists!
Anyway..It's called provocation. Unless of course it was your stupid arse that started the altercation in the 1st place.
Anyway...would you wait for someone with a gun/knife to attack 1st...I think not!!

Personally...the last thing on my mind is the law, it's survival that takes precedent.
Worry about the consequences once your safe I say!

I won my last fight by 3 fences & 2 backyards !!

[deus ex machina]

I always preempt. That's why I shoot everyone I see.

~
danny

"That baby better watch his mouth. I rape kids like him as part of my warm-up for raping teenagers, grown men, and eventually charging rhinos." - Boyd

[Middlemoor]

Pre-emptive striking is fucking stupid. If some guy comes up to you and makes it clear he's about to attack you, you're defending yourself if you hit him first, not pre-emtively striking.

If a guy comes up to you and says he assfucked your mother in hell, is gonna do the same to you and you break his nose, that's kicking ass, not pre-emtively striking. Give it the respect it deserves!

[Omar]

It's not important who hits first.

All that counts is who hits LAST.

...the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders...tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

[Pandinha]

Simple answer to this. Don't put yourself in a situation that warrants hitting first.

Most altercations can be ended by an apology. Only those truly Hell bent on trouble will go past that.

I've learned to be the polite one. Even when people are being friendly and give you that punch in the shoulder, it's usually pretty hard. The pick on the big guy syndrome. Alot of people have it, especially when alcohol is involved.



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"When we go to the ground, you are in my world. The ground is the ocean, I am the shark, and most people don't even know how to swim." RCJ Machado

[Middlemoor]

Just make sure your politeness is straight gangsta!

[jing shen gou]

middlemoor: I assfucked your mother in hell and plan to do the same to you.
NOW WHAT!!!???

[MuayThaiBri67]

I have always beleived in hitting first. If you know your going to fight then why wait? Strike then talk about it later. Remember the noisy thunder does nothing, the silent lightening strikes.

[Fisting Kittens]

I hit first.

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I have discovered the true essence of Bullshido: To crush your enemies. See them driven before you. And hear the lamentation of their women.
In short: to flame.

[DRD]

If your instinct, gut feeling, red flag, danger alarm, awareness training say to engage, do it. Fight anything else you have to as it comes up, the law, charges, court, lawsuit, or anything else.

At least you will be here to do so. Trust yourself at all times. In my teaching and research, rape victimes many times tell the same basic story. I knew something was wrong, but I denied my inner voice "Instincts" and did not want to embarass the man or myself by over reacting, and here I am now, raped.

That is why I teach and train hard at wiring into the brain, defense reactions that are automatic as possible through repetition of defense at speed on a non compliant opponant.

We are not compliant, complacent or cooperative.

You may never be attacked in your lifetime, or maybe only one time. You must survive that one time, so train as if that time is today, everyday.

Never trust the other person because of appearance, speech, demeanor, dress, actions or movements because they are depending on you doing just that.

You cannot be hurt by a hit if you cannot be hit. Hit first or don't be there when the hit comes. Move, spin, run, use obstacles, etc.

Because of the medical fact of the adrenaline dump that you will experience when the fear hits, you must train to react through and in control of the fear, and the only way to do so is through constant training in a fear enducing situation and learning to react through it.

Few technique's will be able to be recalled so they must be simple yet effective, sharp, simple, and devastating.

Observe the rules of survival; There are no rules.

Once escape is no longer an option, and you have decided to engage the attacker, you simply must become the predator. Attack with extreme aggression until safe.

When fighting for your life, will is as important as skill. Never, ever give up!!

If you feel like you are being watched, you are. You may be being sized up for an attack. How you carry yourself may well determine if you are the one chosen.

Never believe the "if you do what I say, you will not be hurt" He just told you what is really in his mind, and he is only seeking quiet compliance.

If you sense danger, or that something is out of place, it is, and how fast you react without thinking how silly you may appear, may well determine if you are still there when it goes down.

Survival sometimes will mean doing the unthinkable to you or I. You must take any opportunity to attack the attacker be it male or female. If they change position, take off clothes, grabs you to move you, sets a weapon down, attack whatever they stick out, with the intent to maim.

Bite, poke, gouge, grab and squeeze, rip, pull twist, tear, throw up, pee, any gross thing you can think of to do.

We all must decide that we have worth and that we are worth protecting, just as a child or spouse would be.

DRD

[Fisting Kittens]

well said.

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I have discovered the true essence of Bullshido: To crush your enemies. See them driven before you. And hear the lamentation of their women.
In short: to flame.

[PeedeeShaolin]

Mr. DRD! Well said.

I've always said that striking first is something that everyone should consider under the right circumstances. If someone just jumps you then the odds of you having a CHANCE to strike first are very slim.

But if the person is approaching you, escalating the tone of his voice and threatening you then, as an adult, you should be able to tell if he means you harm or not. If he does than you should stop him as early as possible before he hurts you.

[WTDude]

I whole-heartedly agree. This philosophy has already saved my ass on one occassion.

I was at Wal-Mart one day when this guy approached me from out of nowhere and asked me what time it was. I responded, "Time for you to buy a fucking watch." He called me a jerk and I could tell he was pissed. I kicked him in the face before he could take any further agressive action toward me.

You can't make a man by standing a sheep on its hindlegs but if you get a group of men together you can create a herd of sheep.

Edited by - WTDude on August 02 2003 21:54:16