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Tong Po
07-30-2003, 10:48 PM
Being that I am mostly a striker, I love to put any striking area of my body pon anything that will break. I practice these techniques when there is no human partner available or unwilling to try it on.

All techniques below must be used with full power (no pussyfooting) and till exhaustion. The goal is to last as long as possible.

Headbutting the bag: Cock your head back and slam it as hard as you can into the bag. It'll get your neck strong. If you feel dizzy, don't worry, it'll go away after several times. Repeat as much as you can till you get tired.

Practice hugging the bag and throw knees to it, as hard as you can. Don't worry if you skin your knees. Gotta get them tough anyway.

Thrust your shoulder into the bag. Imagine you are clasping the enemy's head in your hands, and ramming their face into your shoulder. At once, pull the bag into your shoulder whilst thrusting shoulder into bag. Resulting blow should rattle the bag.

Elbowing the bag: Elbow the shit out of the bag from every angle you can imagine. Smash into it from a head level, then hit it from the chest level, to the stomch level, etc.

Low kicks: If you have a long bag practice low kicks on it. By low I mean pretend you're going for the knee area.

Mule kicks: Basically Muay Thai style kicks that should knock out a camel. Try those till you're exhausted.

Ground & Pound techniques. Hammer blows: Lay bag on floor. Pretend it is your worst enemy. Slam your fists into it with as much rage and fury as you can muster. Repeat until you are exausted.

Techniques also work with headbutts & shoulders. You only need to close the gap and hug into the bag more.

Grounding knees: Drop all your weight into the bag knees first. You shouldn't just drop; you should propel your weight into the bag (akin to an asteroid hitting the earth). You'll know you're doing it right if you hear deep, muffled thuds coming from the impact.

Thrust knees: Mount the bag. Hug it. Lift one knee and pound into the bag. Exchange knees. Practice combos. Repeat until exhausted.

Ground elbows: With bag on ground, practice elbow strikes into it. Try variations of throwing elbows on your stomach and on your back.

Stomping the bag with your foot: This one's simple and shouldn't tire you out. The key is to make sure you're thrusting all your bodyweight in a downward motion.

Try these and experiment some more. Be indescriminate. Don't think about if you look stupid. Don't worry about the bag. Heavy bags are strong as heck and can take massive punishment. Don't be shy. In the quest to be a good fighter, the only thing stupid is the stuff you don't try. Also, make sure mother doesn't walk in and her son is humping the bag.

Sparti
07-30-2003, 10:57 PM
Wouldn't the constant headbutting be a concern to for your noggin's (brain). There are better ways to work the neck muscles. Just a thought.

Tong Po
07-30-2003, 11:07 PM
Well, you can get a neck strap with a weight attachment. (I have one) But the idea behind headbutts is to smash your enemy's face. As far as technique, the top of the head is the strongest part of the head. Use that part. Headbutts can be awesome if you and your enemy are hugging. It requires very little room to execute and can be very simple and effective. Don't worry about brain damage. If you're still conscious then you're OK.

Nihilanthic
07-30-2003, 11:50 PM
cocking back the head to headbutt is bad. Use footwork and sorta thrust

Well, there are diff types, just talk to someone who knows how. and learn which parts of the head to use.

<Me> John, what do you know about Zen Buddhism? <John> *smacks me*
<John> I'd have to smack you sometime...

Kungfoolss
07-31-2003, 12:16 AM
Headbutting the bag: Cock your head back and slam it as hard as you can into the bag. It'll get your neck strong. If you feel dizzy, don't worry, it'll go away after several times. Repeat as much as you can till you get tired.


(Laughs) Now, we know where all your brain cells went.


Practice hugging the bag and throw knees to it, as hard as you can. Don't worry if you skin your knees. Gotta get them tough anyway.


That develops a false sense of security, by hugging your arms about an object actually keeps you from generating power and centrifugal force through rotation.


Thrust your shoulder into the bag. Imagine you are clasping the enemy's head in your hands, and ramming their face into your shoulder.


Why....?


Elbowing the bag: Elbow the shit out of the bag from every angle you can imagine. Smash into it from a head level, then hit it from the chest level, to the stomch level, etc.


That does nothing if the forward drive and penetration mechanics are not present. You're just going -pardon my french- "apesh*t" on the bag. As for kicks, a kick is a kick, nothing more.


Ground & Pound techniques. Hammer blows: Lay bag on floor. Pretend it is your worst enemy. Slam your fists into it with as much rage and fury as you can muster. Repeat until you are exausted.


Rope-a-dope comes to mind. All a smart and levelheaded fighter has to do is wait until an idiot tactic like that is employed and the opponent has exhausted himself to turn the tables. Idiocy.


Grounding knees: Drop all your weight into the bag knees first. You shouldn't just drop; you should propel your weight into the bag (akin to an asteroid hitting the earth). You'll know you're doing it right if you hear deep, muffled thuds coming from the impact.


Actually, there is a right way, it involves balance and centering your weight accordingly. Doing in the manner you describe, could cause you to miss or becoming unbalanced and tumbling over right into a wrestling match.


Don't think about if you look stupid.


I've seen many instances of stylists training in this manner, trust me, they've looked plenty stupid.


Don't worry about the bag. Heavy bags are strong as heck and can take massive punishment.


Yes, the bag can, sadly the straps cannot. There is only so much tension strength the straps themselves are able to take, combined with the downward force of gravity pulling on the bag and the mass being directed against it with sufficient penetration, the straps themselves just cannot absorb this sort of punishment and simply break. I know, because I've broken them in the past on a 200 lb canvas bag.

The staff at the Y' assumed someone had kicked it in order to generate the necessary power to break it. Believe me, I never kicked the bag, you're not supposed to. After taking a few weeks to replace the bag, they posted an image of a karate figure throwing a side kick stating, 'Do not kick the bag.' <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

PS. The adrenaline dump is a product borne of Fear. Master your fear.

Kungfoolss, Scourge of the theory-based stylists, Most Feared man at Bullshido.com, creator of the Kungfoolss Darwinian Awards, and the Preeminent Force in the martial arts political arena

Edited by - kungfoolss on July 31 2003 00:28:23

Boyd
07-31-2003, 01:09 AM
You're just going -pardon my french- "apesh*t" on the bag.

Look Kungfoolss, you're the closest thing this forum has to a supervillian. You have our permission to use dirty words when applicable, such as fuck, cunt, bitch, ho, etc.

Humans rule. Dolphins can suck it.

noodles
07-31-2003, 01:16 AM
Kungfoolss, you had reasoned points, only one emoticon and only one inconsistently capitalized word. I think you've earned the right to say "apesh*t" if you want.

Kungfoolss
07-31-2003, 02:01 AM
Look Kungfoolss, you're the closest thing this forum has to a supervillian.


I see myself as the Messiah of Bullshido actually.


You have our permission to use dirty words when applicable, such as fuck, cunt, bitch, ho, etc.



Kungfoolss, you had reasoned points, only one emoticon and only one inconsistently capitalized word. I think you've earned the right to say "apesh*t" if you want.


What!?! And reduce myself to the level of the lowly stylist? Never! <img src=icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle>

SamHarber
07-31-2003, 02:55 AM
I see myself as the Messiah of Bullshido actually.
That would explain why everybody keeps crucifying you.


:)

Tong Po
07-31-2003, 07:38 AM
Kungfools, I appreciate some of your comments but in the end, you have to be spontaneous and creative. And apeshit, in my point of view anyway, is a good state of mind to be in. That's just how I like to throw down.

Fisting Kittens
07-31-2003, 08:00 AM
gee thanks Tong Po. Go away now?

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I have discovered the true essence of Bullshido: To crush your enemies. See them driven before you. And hear the lamentation of their women.
In short: to flame.

Tong Po
07-31-2003, 08:29 AM
Waaaaa???? Nice name, Fisting Kittens. What do you do, Fist kittens up their buttholes?

Fisting Kittens
07-31-2003, 09:15 AM
And yet another Bullshido genius thinks they are soooooooo clever for figuring out what my name means. I can't count how many times someone has tried to mock my name with this question.

hey guys:
1) That's the point! thats what the name means. Christ.

2) Anyone who thinks they win cool points by insulting someone's INTERNET NAME is really really sad.

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I have discovered the true essence of Bullshido: To crush your enemies. See them driven before you. And hear the lamentation of their women.
In short: to flame.

Boyd
07-31-2003, 02:11 PM
Hey Tong Po! Way to be named Tong Po!

Humans rule. Dolphins can suck it.

Phoenix
07-31-2003, 03:18 PM
Hey, didn't Tong Po get his ass whupped by Van Damme?

"You can't cast aspersions on someone because they're wearing a cape. Superman wore a cape, and I'll be damned if I'll let you say something bad about him." - Jerry Seinfeld

DanielSainty
07-31-2003, 05:57 PM
I dont see anything wrong with Tong Po's suggestions except for the headbutt, you must use footwork (ie driving by lowering, raising level, and turns) and always strike with the horns of your head to prevent cuts and splits... not to mention your major meridians run down the centre of your forehead.

Heavy bag techniques I would like to share


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