Techniques Following Throws

[Skummer]

I'm wondering if anyone has a site link or descriptions of techniques usable immediately after a throw.

For example, say I just did a shoulder throw on a guy and maintained hold on his right arm with my left hand. I can step over his head with my left foot and sit back into a straight arm bar.

I'm looking for joint locks/destructions primarily, but any ideas are welcome.



- Skummer -

If you think you can speak about Tao, it is clear you don't know what you're talking about.
-Lao Tzu

[Choke]

Stomp on their neck.

[Choke]

http://www.judoinfo.com/techjudo.htm

Has some good illustrations

[Shuma-Gorath]

I'm a shoulder throw addict myself (the motion and grip are just too easy), and "stomp on larynx --> armbar" has always come naturally to me. Another option is to boot the attacker in the solar plexus or diaphram to make them double up and lose ground contact, letting you roll them onto their stomach and apply a Chicken Butcher*.
In general, use a painful stunning strike before you try any manipulation so they can't concentrate on resisting.


*This probably has an official name instead of what I've given it. You have the guy grounded on his stomach with control of an arm, then straighten the arm, point the elbow towards his head and crank the arm towards the ground next to his head. Instant dead shoulder. Step on his back so he can't roll with it.

Edited by - Shumagorath on July 30 2003 21:58:19

[Skummer]

Interesting... Here's one of my favourites:

Opponent on floor at your feet, you have his right arm in your left hand. Rotate to your left and drop your right knee onto his bicep and put your weight there. At the same time have his forearm vertical and hyperflex his wrist.

This may not sound like much, but it hurts like hell. Something about the pressure on the bicep with the hyperflexion..


- Skummer -

If you think you can speak about Tao, it is clear you don't know what you're talking about.
-Lao Tzu

[Skummer]

[quote]

*This probably has an official name instead of what I've given it. You have the guy grounded on his stomach with control of an arm, then straighten the arm, point the elbow towards his head and crank the arm towards the ground next to his head. Instant dead shoulder. Step on his back so he can't roll with it.


I've seen this technique before, yet I've never heard a name for it. "Chicken butcher" eh? hehe.

I'm actually trying to document as many throw follow-up techniques as possible. It seems that most styles I've been exposed to have few *official* options in this situation.

I'm particularly interested in Aikido, shuai chiao, and japanese jujitsu options in this situation.



- Skummer -

If you think you can speak about Tao, it is clear you don't know what you're talking about.
-Lao Tzu

[deus ex machina]

How about concentrating on getting him straight on his head with the shoulder throw. You don't want him to die? Pfft. You're doing some pussy Judo. People die every day at my dojo.

~
danny

"That baby better watch his mouth. I rape kids like him as part of my warm-up for raping teenagers, grown men, and eventually charging rhinos." - Boyd

[fragbot]

My personal (untested at full speed and power) faves:

1) violently drop both knees on them (NOTE: requires a little bit of body hardening; do it on a reasonably giving surface to start). One crushes the ribcage and the other pins the head. If you're in a foul mood, you can lock the elbow as well.

2) palm heel strike or hammerfist to, well, just about anyplace. Just make sure you clobber them.

3) as someone mentioned earlier, juji gatame is reasonable as well, but it has the downside of pulling you off your feet

[kusari]

One of my personal favorites is a little manuever called "do gaeshi." I'll put this into words as well as I can. Basically, if they land on their back, and you're at a kneeling position (one leg up and bent) place the elbow joint on your shin (your shin should be at a proper 45) and simply move yourself and apply constant pressure to the elbow as you're moving. If you're not doing it hard enough to destroy the joint, either they'll move with it to save the arm and roll on their stomach, (from which you can apply any number of arm joint or tendon submission holds) or you can crank it hard enough to break the elbow. It's all up to you, and the situation at hand.

Another I like....and this is so simple I'm amazed more arts don't do it. As you perform your throw, make sure the wrist or elbow or whatever never gains any slack space from the body (it can go up and down, but should not go out and away). Depending on how they land, and how they turn or whatever whilst being airborne, changes what comes out of this. It can range from simple control, to dislocations, to breaks, etc.

Now, I realize that's not neccescarily a technique per se, but it's a valuable principle...and from one principle, you can make many techniques.

Go play, just don't break a training partner to pieces if you can help it.

ryan

[SamHarber]

My favourite is when they are lying on their side, take the top arm and fold it back on itself towards the chest. Fold the wrist so the back of the hand is facing their ribs. Now lift up on the back of the hand until all his weight is being transfered through his wrist. Combine it with turning the wrist so his fingers point towards his legs for what should be a rather nasty destruction.

Another one (from my jujitsu days) is when they are lying on their stomach and you kick them in the balls (with your right foot). Leave your foot there as you put their left ankle to their right knee (behind your right leg, then put their right ankle in front of your right leg. Lean forwards, grab their hair (or anything else) and pull back.

[kusari]

Also, as some of the others have mentioned...there of course is impact moves and redirections while in the air, and afterwards.
Such as striking before, during, and after a throw. Body repositioning, and alignment, pinning (preferably to painful areas in between muscles, on weak bone points, etc.)

And then there's always the drop the spine over your leg or plant them like a flower techniques...
but those are only if you really intend to cause permanent injury and/or death.

ryan

[Das Moose]

Well if you don't want to hurt them too much but keep them down... stamp on their solar plexus. Or drop a knee on it.

[Das Moose]

Chum Sut Total Fighting - www.chumsut.com

[cyrijl]

choke, thanks for that link...it was great.

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[Shuma-Gorath]

Another one (from my jujitsu days) is when they are lying on their stomach and you kick them in the balls (with your right foot). Leave your foot there as you put their left ankle to their right knee (behind your right leg, then put their right ankle in front of your right leg. Lean forwards, grab their hair (or anything else) and pull back.

Thanks dude; I've been trying to learn the Indian Deathlock* for quite some time. At least that's what I think it is, if it can break the right knee.

*Stole that name from Tekken.

[Skummer]

Another of my favourites...

You perform a successful morote gari (double leg) but remain standing with your opponent's legs in your arms. You can stamp the groin of course, but then you can quickly step over the opponent and sit to a boston crab.



- Skummer -

If you think you can speak about Tao, it is clear you don't know what you're talking about.
-Lao Tzu

[Spunky]

I like standing pins so you can easily face other threats. Of course since everyone will fall differently every time, its impossible to say "what to do," but generally you can stand on a couple of joints and/or pressure points, combined sometimes with stepping across the body to twist it up and minimize his power to resist. Hard to describe :(

One example is if someone is on their back or stomach and an arm lands outstretched, put a foot on the wrist and the elbow to bar it out and nail it to the ground. Under certain conditions this will pin the whole body. It's nice if you can get into a habit of trapping hands and feet under your weight.

Do gaeshi is great, with the right footwork it becomes a real E-Ticket ride for the poor guy on bottom :)