Olympic's, Curse or Blessing?

[Kensai]

I cant speak for TKD, Wrestling or Boxing, but I think the general quality of Judo has improved due to the Olympics.

From what I've read from various sources, Judo players are fitter, faster and more conditioned than they've ever been. More and more entry's are found it to different throws, Newaza is fast and to the point and gripping has become a science.

What do you guys think, not just of Judo, but the other Olympic Martial arts too?

[J-kid]

I think that Judo being in the Olympics is great.

I love to compete vs other and find that when you do it makes you stronger and your abilitys greater as you get more experience under your belt.

[Wu De]

Hmm...if Wushu makes it to the olympics, that will be quite interesting to watch i think.

Wushu atheletes are strong, powerful and fast, it's such a pity that it's wasted on near useless techniques.

[J-kid]

I think of wushu like a tango of sorts.

Pretty cool to watch them flip around and go nutz with weapons.



Edited by - Judo-kid on July 13 2003 08:17:09

[Amir]

I think it depends on the rules
since at least some of the arts included in the Olympics, had to "change flavor" for it to happen.

I know this is true with regards to TKD, and believe it's also true for Judo. I have actually read a great Olympic Judo practitioner say he doesn't do M.A. he is just a sportsman and cares for nothing besides the competition.


Amir

[Wu De]

That's quite a interesting opinion i think, a few of my friends at the Beijing Wushu A team consider themselves atheletes, nothing more, whereas i also know a few people in the team who do consider themselves martial artists and would gladly step into a ring to prove it.

I think Olympic MA greatly benefits a style in that it becomes almost instantly famous, quite good publicity.

[MrMcFu]

I have no idea how an Olympic TKD person could consider themselves a martial artist. They don't even award points for punches at that level like the rules say they should. It's all about pulling offer the 720 degree back spin kick or whatever. . . . freaking dancing . . .

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[Fisting Kittens]

The Olympics have raped judo. The IOC basically forced the transition to TV friendly rules or said they were going to drop judo. Hence the non-combative rules, the 15 seconds or less on the ground, etc.

On top of that most Olympic style judo dojos don't even practice any ground work but osaekomi as it is the easiest thing to get on the ground with limited time.

Also they most olympic level players win all of their matches with only 3 or 4 throws. Some of them actually don't know most of the throws their are supposed to for their belt rank. These are things I've heard, seen, and believed. I also have over 15 hours of olympic judo coverage on VCD and I've been pretty saddened by the way the art is going. If you want to really learn judo, don't go to a sport school.

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[PizDoff]

It is still the same art. Not.

Look at Olympic TKD and how little respect it gets around the MA community.


I've heard people lament the today's competitive sport Judo has become a tripping art.


what FK said......the new goal is to win a medal for your sensei, not develope yourself, which is my goal

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[Punisher]

You the same things said about Judo can also be partly said for BJJ.

Many BJJ schools only teach sport for competition and have nothing in there about real fighting or self-defense.

Many require competition in tournaments for advancement in rank.

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[SunTzu]

The difference here is that from what I've seen, the tournaments don't limit any aspect of BJJ during the competition. Judo and TKD both limit fundamental aspects of their respective arts in the sport verions (ie, punches and groudwork).

[Nihilanthic]

The real problem here is that the crowd is ignorant. It never really rang true until one day at a Muay Thai gym I overheard two guys talking about how the crowd has no freaking clue what a lowkick can do...

Funny how they can understand Wrestling perfectly well but have no clue about Judo. I think some freestyle grappling would be well in order to help resolve some of this. They might get a taste for Jiujitsu too.

And uh... Muay Thai in the olympics... without gay olympic rules. Just full on do what you want rules, PLEASE.

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[deus ex machina]

You the same things said about Judo can also be partly said for BJJ.

Many BJJ schools only teach sport for competition and have nothing in there about real fighting or self-defense.

Many require competition in tournaments for advancement in rank.


So, what's your point?

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[FingerorMoon?]

BJJ in the Olympics could be pretty cool.

I just saw (I think) the 1998 world championships from Brazil - the one Mario Sperry won.
That was pretty cool.

[MrMcFu]

Sorry but I do Osiris- if you look at your TKD thread you would see I talked with you about it. I trained WTF TKD with an alternate member for the US national team and competed in several tournaments at the black belt level. You are suppossed to get one point for a successful punch to the chest that does some damage. I've seen judges give points for a fucking double kick. You can't "rock their body" with a double kick, only tickle them. At the same time, I saw someone not get a point for knocking down an opponent with a punch to the chest. Sorry, but that just doesn't cut it in my book.

Oh the 720 kick was sarcasm. I noticed the scoring gets more prejudiced towards technique instead of actual kicking the higher you go, so I responded with something equally ridiculous.

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Edited by - mrmcfu on July 13 2003 18:33:41

[sanshou2]

If wushu got into the olympics, it would be another blow to traditional chinese martial arts.