I was completely dominated (Part 2)

[Michael Neal]

For some reason I could not post a reply on the original topic so I will do it here.

How in the world can you accuse me of trolling when it is you guys who are doing the style bashing?

[BlackBeltNow]

it happens sometimes

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[BigRod]

Hmm. I must admit, I'm skeptical about this myself. I do not know much about Aikido, but from what I've seen, I would not select it as my primary art for self-defense.

I'll say this...when you chase your opponent around, you open yourself up to numerous things. I also find it hard to believe someone can grab ahold of my arm when I'm throwing a FULL SPEED jab or right hand. Unless you have a bad habit of leaving your arm hanging around, almost no one should be able to do this to you.

I would have to experience it myself, but I dont believe an Aikido artist could really do *any* of that stuff I've seen to me in a flat out fight.

[Michael Neal]

I don't know exactly what you are looking at when making these observations so its hard to comment. There are no techniques that I know of that you grab someone's hand out of mid air.

[deus ex machina]

You've taken an extremely defensive stance...for what? No one was bashing aikido. All we were saying is that we found it highly unlikely that someone who has practiced an external Chinese MA for 15 years could not even hit a 6th dan aikidoka

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danny

"That baby better watch his mouth. I rape kids like him as part of my warm-up for raping teenagers, grown men, and eventually charging rhinos." - Boyd

[deus ex machina]

As I tried to "blast in" to punch him, he would just start turning (I think they call it Tenkan) and suddendly would grab my arm and put me on a lock.

From the original post.

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danny

"That baby better watch his mouth. I rape kids like him as part of my warm-up for raping teenagers, grown men, and eventually charging rhinos." - Boyd

[BigRod]

deus ex just clarified it for me. Also...

The demonstrations of Aikido I've seen have sometimes involved the practioner "catching" a punch and using some type of wrist lock or throw.

I admit I have not seen much in the way of Aikido, so perhaps what I have seen was not realistic. At any rate, that is why I said that.




Edited by - BigRod on July 11 2003 16:34:50

[Southpaw]

I don't think it is "catching a punch" as much as it is deflecting a punch into a lock.

I don't know Akido just guessing based on the Akido I've seen.

[Omega the Merciless]

Well Mike, I'm not one to bash. My firm belief is you can learn something from everything. I'm not a little teen or whatever you said but I'd never let that happen to me.
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On that note I'd have to say that you would definitely have to suck if you had a sixth dan do that to you everytime. Either that or he just had your number. Fifteen years in the martial arts it doesn't seemed you learn much.

Go away I'm talking to myself

[deus ex machina]

Hell, after 15 years of training, the aikidoka should've exploded on contact.

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danny

"That baby better watch his mouth. I rape kids like him as part of my warm-up for raping teenagers, grown men, and eventually charging rhinos." - Boyd

[HAPKO3]

Percisely. The fact of the matter is that either this guy is some sort of an imbecile, or he is lying to us either about his training or about the encouner he had with the aikidoka. In any case, that does not speak too highly of him.

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I remain, Hapko3

[BigRod]

Amp, in the Aikido I've seen, they literally caught the punch in flight and did some shit.

As for deflecting a punch into a lock. Well, IMO, they can deflect the punch, sure. But my hand isnt going to be there long enough for them to do anything with it. A good punch retracts as fast or faster than it went out.

But WTF do I know??

Any good sites to see video of Aikido demos?

[mneal]

You've taken an extremely defensive stance...for what? No one was bashing aikido. All we were saying is that we found it highly unlikely that someone who has practiced an external Chinese MA for 15 years could not even hit a 6th dan aikidoka

A 6th Dan in Aikido has probably been practicing for at least 35 years and probably has other martial arts experience along with that. What is so hard to believe that someone who has been practicing martial arts for half as long (15 years) would have a lot of difficulty. Do you think these Aikido teachers never get tested? this stuff happens all the time.

My current instructer was a nidan in uechi-ryu when he tried out Aikido and he tried to strike his teacher (Mitsugi Saotome) as hard as he could several times and wound up getting tossed around. He said he was very sceptical of it and was not very fond of the skirts they wear but after this incident he decided to dedicate himself to Aikido.

Maybe Aikido is not the right martial art for some people here, that is fine, I will also readily admit it is not suitable for MMA competition and has its weakenesses but it works, has worked, and will work, if you train the right way, in self defense situations. To claim otherwise simply is contrary to the facts.

If you do not like Aikido, think it is not right for you, don't like the funny looking skirts, or don't think it is not a practical self defense style for your needs then that is fine but to disregard the entire art and its practioners claiming it does not work is just not right.

If you want to question the fact that many basket weavers have made Aikido their home and are doing much to water down the art then I will agree with you.

[mneal]

As far as the grabbing punches goes, on some techniques you follow the retracting punch back in then grab for your technique using this momentum and droppping your weight at the same time to pull them off balance so you can throw them.

This is much different than trying to grab a punch out of the air, although I guess some of the basket weaver types do it this way but it is technicaly incorrect.

[HAPKO3]

"To claim otherwise simply is contrary to the facts"

What facts? Something your instructor said about his instructor?

C'Mon, man, you undersstand how silly you sound right now, right? Right? I never cease to be amazed at the extent of how brainwashed some people are. Do YOU want to prove the effectiveness of Aikido? Come to one of the Bullshido gatherings, spar with the people there, and let the facts stand for themselves. Something is telling me, though, that this will never happen.

Also, I am not discounting Aikido as an art. The fact of the matter is, though, that someone who was studying a martial art (ANY MARTIAL ART) for 15 years will, on average, be able to dominate someone who has been studying it for 35, provided they started around the same age, simply because the age would factor in. Old men in funny robes tossing around young and fit fighters is something that happens in the movies, but not in real life.

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I remain, Hapko3

[IndoChinese]

you guys dont have a clue.

one word.

metsubushi.

peace.

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