'Martial art is very grounded' - Gracie Jiu-Jitsu

[SLJ]

It has a lot to do with the person too, but you are correct, I have the same opinions.

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Now imagine your pain is a white ball of healing light, that's right, your pain, the pain itself is a white ball of healing light....... I don't think so!

[vimana]

I have respect for all martial arts, but I think that BJJ is not very practical for self-defence. Yes for MMA tournaments it is the best because you just tackle the guy and then joke him. YOU CANNOT USE BJJ ON THE STREET AGAINST MULTIPLE OPONENTS.

[SLJ]

For crying out loud, do you have an ounce of common sense.

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Now imagine your pain is a white ball of healing light, that's right, your pain, the pain itself is a white ball of healing light....... I don't think so!

[PeedeeShaolin]

Common sense runs short in these parts, I'm afraid.

You think half of these nimrods ever trained BJJ? They're all full of sh!t. You can tell that by the way they argue. They probably took about 3 months of karate classes at the local YMCA. They got molested and are now bitter towards martial arts and ESPECIALLY a martial art that WORKS like BJJ. The one guy is amazed someone could learn an armbar in a month and actually use it on a resisting, untrained person. You KNOW he's never trained.

I can name a girl that submitted a MUCH larger and muscualar SUBMISSION WRESTLER in NAGA's championship. Her name is Shannon Logan and she trains with Team Renzo Gracie and the event was called Battle at the Beach. I know the guy was in awesome shape because I was worried I might get him forst round and he looked really strong and fit. Another girl who submits men is TSK's Laura D'Auguste. These are COMPETANT men who KNOW subission.

Guys, I guess its time for us all to face reality. Kicking a guy in the nutz with a "precision attack" or using your deadly "eye jab" is the very BEST way to fend off a larger, voilent assailent. You can EASILY use your training to stop a guy like that with your AWESOME spinning loop-around kicks and DEADLY acuracy.

Dont forget to yell "kiai".

[Matt W.]

YOU CANNOT USE BJJ ON THE STREET AGAINST MULTIPLE OPONENTS.

Why not? Come on, I'm going to make you do the work of actually pulling out all those old anti-grappling cliche's.

Regards,
Matt

"My cat's name is Mittens."
Ralph Wiggum

[SLJ]

Nice one Peedee.

Matt, please don't tempt fate.

See ya!

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Now imagine your pain is a white ball of healing light, that's right, your pain, the pain itself is a white ball of healing light....... I don't think so!

[PeedeeShaolin]

STOP MAKING SENSE!!

Seriously though, in that type of situation you can just go into the Crane stance, yell Kiai!! and launch a few insanely fast snap kicks the the attackers head before utilizing the deadly EYE GOUGE, from which there is no possible defence.

You can TOTALLY fight off 3 or more good sized men. Its fairly easiy actually. Especially if you do it with your own students while wearing a karate suit.

[Dochter]

"You can TOTALLY fight off 3 or more good sized men. Its fairly easiy actually. Especially if you do it with your own students while wearing a karate suit."

Now that's funny and accurate. While I think it is possible to successfully fight multiples (depending on who they are) this does sum up most such examples.

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My single chopstick is bad at serving soup, cutting steaks and basting roasts and chickens. Besides that it owns.

[Matt W.]

No tempting fate here. It's just that the whole "multiple opponents" thing is a classic piece of anti-grappling garbage. You know what's great against multiple opponents? A gun.

But it's not like all BJJ involves working from guard and rolling around on the floor for 15-20 minutes ala the SCARS site. There is some stand up grappling in it, you know. It's just not a focus. And besides, people always act like you get to choose whether to grapple or not.

I've only seen two multiple opponent encounters, and they weren't that serious. But you know what happened? The "multiples" grabbed the "one" and held him down while the others tried to beat on him. You telling me BJJ wouldn't be good to know in that situation? You telling me it wouldn't help you to avoid getting grabbed and held down in the first place, and help you get out of it if you did get taken down?

What's gonna help you more, I ask? (Besides weapons. Of course, a weapon would help.)

Regards,
Matt

"My cat's name is Mittens."
Ralph Wiggum

[PeedeeShaolin]

Standup grappling is all but IMPOSSIBLE to AVOID against more than 1 person. Unless your fighting COMPLETELY helpless people, in which case ANY fit person might be able to fend them off.

[Nihilanthic]

Go find some MuayThai guys to shove your ass around in a clinch... and man can they ever. Or The "jiujitsu" class I took (dunno wtf it was, it was a crazy ass mix of shit) had guys that did that stuff, lotta judo techs too. So I assume any half-ass clincher could do a good job of shoving people around or spinning and useing them to block. And if you can get a rear naked and drag them around, or some kind of necklock and say you'll "break it"...

But honestly, Football-do and Nike-jitsu is your best bet. Football for just plowing through people, of course...

<Me> John, what do you know about Zen Buddhism? <John> *smacks me*
<John> I'd have to smack you sometime...

[Pandinha]

The one guy is amazed someone could learn an armbar in a month and actually use it on a resisting, untrained person. You KNOW he's never trained.

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You must be referring to me. I still call BULLSHIT. One month of training. Yeah fucking right.

The arm bar was covered a whole 3 times in the first month I studied BJJ. THREE. Other things were covered much more indepth than an armbar.
Like escaping the mount for instance.

Maybe it's my BJJ school. We probably have a shitty teaching style at the academy.

I don't know, has anyone heard anything about how badly they teach at Gracie Torrance?

<edited by me, the wisdom teeth has me posting angry>




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"When we go to the ground, you are in my world. The ground is the ocean, I am the shark, and most people don't even know how to swim." RCJ Machado



Edited by - anthony_a on July 15 2003 19:52:34

[Pandinha]

I standby my earlier post.

One month of training in BJJ does not equal a proficiency in an armbar.

Not gonna happen. Female against Male with one month of BJJ training.

I still have yet to see the news proof.



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"When we go to the ground, you are in my world. The ground is the ocean, I am the shark, and most people don't even know how to swim." RCJ Machado

[Pandinha]

O,

I'm not saying it can't be learnt. I learned it the first time I was taught. Hell, I even got an advance by watching the tape before rolling.

What I'm calling bullshit on is it actually being used on a male, who is usually larger, and is stronger. Couple all that with it was used in a Hi Stress situation. Training with it with one month does not equal it being an ingrained response.

I do not see it happening. No proof other than hearsay has been provided.



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"When we go to the ground, you are in my world. The ground is the ocean, I am the shark, and most people don't even know how to swim." RCJ Machado

[Nihilanthic]

I armbarred someone my FIRST DAY IN BJJ CLASS. So, either I'm just natural at it, lucky, or all this MMA shit I watch helped out, or its not THAT damn hard. Just drill, practice, and use it in free-grapple.

Either way, i'd say the general IDEA of armbars is simple enough. Just be mobile enough from a mount, or scoot and pivot like a mofo in the guard, and isolate that arm, get your legs around it and use their torso or the floor as leverage, and bridge, is the general idea behind it, at least the best way i can think of to put it.

And as far as strength goes, on a rather large and strong wrestler's first day doing BJJ, the teacher felt like giving him lessons in leverage. When we were drilling an Armbar after a series of techs that came after an initial choke. When he saw him holding onto his other arm to fight the armbar, he told me how to kind pry at an angle between the shoulder and neck so its in weaker muscles in the rotator cuff. And then when I just got the armbar and was just about to crank, he asked me to hold on and get the wrestler to try a bicep curl. I EASILY went against it from any point in the rnage of motion, as long as he wasn't holding onto the other arm. Then I did a small bridge so he felt it. He tapped like a dot matrix printer. And I'm not that strong!




<Me> John, what do you know about Zen Buddhism? <John> *smacks me*
<John> I'd have to smack you sometime...

[Pandinha]

All I know is that a woman was attacked, she armbarred the attacker. Nothing about the mount, guard, nothing.

Just armbarred the guy.

I love Gracie Jiu Jitsu. I am not a fanatic that believes every story about it.

Where is the proof? Still none.

This probably belongs in that thread of made up legends.



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"When we go to the ground, you are in my world. The ground is the ocean, I am the shark, and most people don't even know how to swim." RCJ Machado