'Martial art is very grounded' - Gracie Jiu-Jitsu

[deus ex machina]

I'm suggesting that she know how to take a hit. Hell, I'm suggesting she knows how to take a beating...and still be able to think.

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danny

"That baby better watch his mouth. I rape kids like him as part of my warm-up for raping teenagers, grown men, and eventually charging rhinos." - Boyd

[SLJ]

You are right, but how many women do you know who would put themselves through that ?

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Now imagine your pain is a white ball of healing light, that's right, your pain, the pain itself is a white ball of healing light....... I don't think so!

[deus ex machina]

Not many. But my point is that BJJ training is a straw crutch to women who think that it will be adequate for self-defense with no limitations.

However, some training is better than no training. And I believe 100% that women should attempt to fight back. I'm not saying traing BJJ as self-defense is wrong, just that it has it's limitations and in order for it to WORK in that context, there has to be certain factors included in the training, to MAXIMIZE effectiveness.

In truth, if a woman wanted to learn how to get some basic self-defense skills, I'd recommend MMA because of it's toughening nature (and many other fringe benefits ;) ).

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danny

"That baby better watch his mouth. I rape kids like him as part of my warm-up for raping teenagers, grown men, and eventually charging rhinos." - Boyd

[SLJ]

Oh I agree totally, women that would actually train MMA are in extreme minority though.

It comes down to the same thing again really, there are no shortcuts, no matter how badly people want them.

Discounting weapons of course.

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Now imagine your pain is a white ball of healing light, that's right, your pain, the pain itself is a white ball of healing light....... I don't think so!

[deus ex machina]

It really is unfortunate that not many are truly interested in taking their own safety and the safety of their family in their own hands (men AND women). There are definitely no short cuts, but what can you do? We live in a world of instant gratification. Which is why so many SCARS/"We are not a martial art, we teach you to survive" gimmicks/typical women's self defense calsses, are so popular. People think that an eyejab and a knee to the groin is a magic formula. There was this one sketch on Mad TV about a mom taking self-defense classes and trying to demonstrate on her son, who promptly grabbed her and threw her on the couch repeatedly. =T But I suppose that in most cases, having ANYTHING is better than NOTHING. Peace.

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danny

"That baby better watch his mouth. I rape kids like him as part of my warm-up for raping teenagers, grown men, and eventually charging rhinos." - Boyd

[SLJ]

>We live in a world of instant gratification.


Couldn't agree more. Nice post.

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Now imagine your pain is a white ball of healing light, that's right, your pain, the pain itself is a white ball of healing light....... I don't think so!

[BlackBeltNow]

i heard this a while ago on sherdog...maybe even a year...

anyway there was this girl. she was walking thru the city at night, and suddenly this guy grabs her and drags her to the alley. the guy had dragged her 40 ft. in the struggle she was able to armbar him and break his arm, and he passed out. She ran to the police and tried to catch him, but by the time they ran back to whre the man was hurt, the man had fled...

Anyway, thats not waht was amazing..what was amazing was she only had one month of BJJ training.

I think that school gave her a blue for that or sth.. Not sure, but that is one amazing story.i don't think i can do an armbar in one months training...She msut've been dedicated in practice.

Do Be Open-minded
Don't Be Gullible
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Aromatic Mornings, by BBN

Every morning I dream of Benzenes...
Those wonderful
planar
conjugated
1-3-5-cyclohexatrienes.

[Pandinha]

Wow. One month.

More BJJ bullshit. It's starting to sound alot like Bullshido with stories like that.



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"When we go to the ground, you are in my world. The ground is the ocean, I am the shark, and most people don't even know how to swim." RCJ Machado

[BlackBeltNow]

well I believe that story is real. I think they mentioned the exact school and city it happened. I dont' rmember finding any articles tho, so it coudl be fake. I think someone from that school posted on sherdog of that story.

Do Be Open-minded
Don't Be Gullible
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Aromatic Mornings, by BBN

Every morning I dream of Benzenes...
Those wonderful
planar
conjugated
1-3-5-cyclohexatrienes.

[SLJ]

She could learn an armbar in a month, it doesn't have to be text book standard to work.

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Now imagine your pain is a white ball of healing light, that's right, your pain, the pain itself is a white ball of healing light....... I don't think so!

[Pandinha]

SLJ,

Yeah right, and use it with enough percision to break the guy's arm.



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"When we go to the ground, you are in my world. The ground is the ocean, I am the shark, and most people don't even know how to swim." RCJ Machado

[Pandinha]

I'm a big guy. 260lbs. I've rolled with guys about a hundred pounds less. If they want to resist the arm bar, they will, and in some cases can, right off the bat, until I get my whole body involved.

I don't think she weighed 260lbs.



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"When we go to the ground, you are in my world. The ground is the ocean, I am the shark, and most people don't even know how to swim." RCJ Machado

[SLJ]

Run of the mill people are generally very shit though, they leave arms sticking out all over the place. This story could very well be a load of crap I know.





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Now imagine your pain is a white ball of healing light, that's right, your pain, the pain itself is a white ball of healing light....... I don't think so!

[BlackBeltNow]

"I think that school gave her a blue for that or sth.. Not sure, but that is one amazing story.i don't think i can do an armbar in one months training...She msut've been dedicated in practice."

I learned the armbar in a day from a book. Ive used said armbar against resisting opponents effectively and forced tapouts. Maybe Im just good, but the armbar is quite easy imo.



"There's no love in your violence." Kakihara


are u sure u did it right? the hard part of an armbar is not only keeping track whre ur grip is, but also shifting ur hips and body smoothly, which is a fundamental skill of guard submissions anyway. and that means u mustve gotten THAT skilldown in a day as well...
when i was in the guard my first days my neck kept getting tired from looking at what was in front of me.

Do Be Open-minded
Don't Be Gullible
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Aromatic Mornings, by BBN

Every morning I dream of Benzenes...
Those wonderful
planar
conjugated
1-3-5-cyclohexatrienes.

[SLJ]

That's what I meant, it's not that improbable.

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Now imagine your pain is a white ball of healing light, that's right, your pain, the pain itself is a white ball of healing light....... I don't think so!

[Matt W.]

Doesn't necessarily sound like BS to me. Armbars are fairly easy. Also there was no info on the size of the man or the woman involved. And "break" might not be completely accurate. But so what? Who knows exactly what happened, other than it worked and the guy passed out. That's what counts (if true).

You know, in another thread someone accused me of being so pro-BJJ becuase I was impressed by how much I got owned as a beginner. But in all seriousness, that isn't what impressed me about BJJ at all. I mean, of course you're going to get owned by more experienced people when you're new at something.

No, what impressed me about BJJ was how quickly _I_ was able to apply it! _I_ was able to get armbars and chokes to work on resisting opponents. That is one of the major things that impressed me about BJJ's effectiveness. And I believe it is true that even beginners can apply BJJ techniques and get them to work. And that is something that I had not experienced in my previous MA training.

Regards,
Matt

"My cat's name is Mittens."
Ralph Wiggum