ok someone fill me in on aiki jiu jitsu

[El-Wood]

Just got an e-mail from an old friend who was very into bullshido back when I knew her (years and years and years ago). Still is it seems (tai chi, feng schui, fulon gong, etc.).

Apparently now she is teaching aiki jiu jitsu and is 3rd dan (no comment)...

What is aiki jiu jitsu? Personal bullshido meter went off the chart when she told me it was the "foundation for of aikido and bujikan more commonely called ninjitsu".

[Poop Loops]

I've heard of Aiki Jutsu, but not Aiki Jujutsu. You sure you didn't mean the former? Because that is the "base" art for Aikido. A bit more "nasty", but the same principle from what I could tell. A real art, but I'd rank it the same as Aikido: bleah.

PL

[feedback]

What is aiki jiu jitsu? Personal bullshido meter went off the chart when she told me it was the "foundation for of aikido and bujikan more commonely called ninjitsu".

I thought that was correct except with jiujitsu instead of fagninjitsu

[access1denied]

Aikijitsu, aikijujitsu... blah. They're both forms of Daito Ryu Aiki Jutjisu, correct? Anyone, all of this aiki shit is equally useless, and pleasurable to poke fun at.

[Kinzei]

How long has she been studying? Real Daito Ryu is somewhat rare. It is indead the foundation art for Aikido and Hopkido as well. Daito Ryu also had a big impact on Kano's Judo. If taught as a combat art it is effective, but not an easy art to learn quickly. Also, unlike most Aikido, there is lots of atemi in Daito Ryu.

[antman]

Aiki-jutsu Ancient sytem of combat based on jujutsu; founded by Shinra Saburo Yoshimitsu during the Kamakura period (1185-1336) in Japan. Also known as aiki-jujutsu, it is the art from which aikido developed.

Sometine during the 13th century a school existed to the north of Mt. Fuji that specialised in the teaching of aiki-jutsu. It was kept secret except for a few disciples, for the most part Japanese nobles of ancient lineage. This art had originated from kenjutsu, and is said to have gradually become a meothd of combat superior to jujutsu.

The term aiki, like ju, indiactes a principle a way of using the body as a weapon of combat. The method of aiki is to use the coordinated power of ki in harmony with the circumstances of combat: by blending one's strategy with an opponent'ts to attain full control over him and over the encounter. See also aikido. Further reading:Secrets of the Samurai, Adel Westbrook and Oscar Ratti.

From Martial Arts:Traditions, History,People by Corcoran and Farkas

Don't shoot the messenger I just puttingit up for info with no opinion either way!!! :qright1:

[Fantasy Warrior]

correct me if I'm wrong but it is also commonly spelt akijitsu (no "i" before the k). A real enough system which tends to focus on small joint manipulations -i.e. complex wrist locks. Like most things it can be taught reasonably well but from what I've seen/heard, it is nearly always very compliant.....

It is very commonly the base for law enforcement official training in UK.... which shows how politicaly correct and ineffective it is (IMO)

[Kinzei]

"Like most things it can be taught reasonably well but from what I've seen/heard, it is nearly always very compliant....."


Very true. My instructor, however, even when teaching a technique, uses resistance. It can be very frustrating. There are many nuances neccesary for making the techniques work properly. Also, strength can be a hinderance, as you try to "muscle" the techniques.

Also, as KK stated, the techniques are usually taught as locks, but when taught for combat, they are joint dislocations/breaks.

The proper spelling is:
Aiki jujutsu (at least for the Daito Ryu branch)

[Kinzei]

Here is a link for the home page El-wood.
http://www.daito-ryu.org/

[Sophist]

Very true. My instructor, however, even when teaching a technique, uses resistance.

So, uh, how does that work? If your opponent is resisting properly, you shouldn't be able to slap on just any technique you want; this is why teaching techniques for the first time is generally done with compliancy even in the alive arts.

Does your branch of the art spar?

[Kinzei]

I mean resistance in the fact that he will resist the lock/throw etc. unless all the proper mechanichs are in place. (tightening wrist etc....) We do randori, but my skill level in the art is still such that I usually rely on more mma type techniques. My instructor can apply the techniques (including wrist locks) under full randori conditions. With that being said, I am currently his only student attending on a regular basis.

[mikkyou]

I heard that Aikijutsu and Aikijujutsu are 2 different things.
Aikijutsu-using techniques focused on Ki such as Haragei where Aikijujutsu is using ki intent when you perform techniques.

[Ronin]

Daito-ryu is the most well know of the aiki-jutsu systems.
They are basically jujutsu schools with an empahise on the "aiki" ( cordinated force/harmonising force).

For her to be a 3rd dan / 3rd degree BB, she would have to have been doing this system for at least 10 years ( 5 to get BB, 2 to get 2nd, 3 to get 3rd), and she would have the teachers certificate to go with it ( menkyo or something like that).

IF !!!, it is a koryu system ( traditional japanese school).

[dakotajudo]

Daito-ryu is the most well know of the aiki-jutsu systems.
They are basically jujutsu schools with an empahise on the "aiki" ( cordinated force/harmonising force).


Best explanation yet. Aiki, ju and tai are all qualifiers used to describe techniques (jutsu), sometimes their mixed a little, especially among Westerners, I think.

Kind of like the difference between wrestling and grappling, although aiki is a little more specific than, say, tai.

Then, there is Kito-ryu. Typically, it's referred to as jujutsu, but sometimes it's called an aiki style.

So, in the end, if you're friend can't name a ryu, it may just be judo with aikido mixed in.

[Itai]

correct me if I'm wrong but it is also commonly spelt akijitsu (no "i" before the k). (IMO)

Correct me if I'm wrong but it is also commonly spelled "s-p-e-l-l-e-d".

j/k

Don't get too caught up on the correct english spelling of a word that is phonetically translated from Japanese. If it sounds correct when spoken is more important than anything else.

Aikijujitsu is an art whose central principle is that of Aiki, or harmonizing with the attackers' energy - thus leading him to imbalance, and consequently the attackers' subjugation through a variety of joint locks, pressure points, and projections.

- Itai

"One can not resist non-resistance." - Aikijujitsu maxim

[Yrkoon9]

It's good against drunks, and passive aggressive confrontations. Suprisingly, this DOES encompass many confrontational situations.

Against an amped and wildly swinging attacker bent on fucking you up - good luck. You are going to need something else.