ok someone fill me in on aiki jiu jitsu

[Kinzei]

This information is taken from the Daito Ryu home page:

Kondo Katsuyuki sensei
Formally recognized as the official representative of Daito-ryu aiki jujutsu by the Japan Kobudo Association (Nihon Kobudo Kyokai) and the Society for the Promotion of Japanese Kobudo (Nihon Kobudo Shinkokai).


What is the ranking system in Daito-ryu? Are classical ranks still given? What are the requirements for each kyu and dan ranking?

For the vast majority of practitioners, the Daito-ryu Aikijujutsu Hombu has adopted a modern kyu and dan ranking system, with eight kyu ranks followed by shodan, nidan, sandan, etc. after ikkyu.

Kyu-ranked practitioners wear white belts through yonkyu, brown from sankyu to ikkyu, then black from shodan.

Hakama are worn from shodan but are not mandatory.

It should be remarked that this modern ranking system has nothing to do with the system of licensing traditionally used in Daito-ryu and in other classical and semi-classical traditions. It has been adopted simply for the sake of convenience and organization, as well as to provide modern people with identifiable goals to mark and motivate their progress.

[dakotajudo]

It is the historical basis for many modern arts, like judo and Brazilian jiu jitsu.

Not really - check your history books again.

[Lane]

Not really - check your history books again.

http://www.daito-ryu.com/en/frame.htm

Daito ryu aikijujutsu is one of the oldest schools of koryu jujutsu. To say it had no influence on the schools of jujutsu that Kano studied and used as the basis for aikido isn't something I think you wish to do.

[Dochter]

To say it had no influence on the schools of jujutsu that Kano studied and used as the basis for aikido ...You should probably withdraw now.

I will say with 100% certainty that Daitoryu had absolutely nothing to do with Kano's development of Aikido.

[leavittk]

empty hand martial arts simply suck for "REAL" fights. The ones that are not consensual and might lead to dismemberment or death.

I think if this is your focus, training in them is a big waste of time. Sure, you can gain some skills that may be useful, but I'd rather spend my money on good tools such as guns, tasers, pepper spray, nice escrima sticks...and good classes that teach you how to use them.

What I have found TMA and MMA good for is teaching you fundamental principles of timing, posture, positioning, handling stress, mental toughness, and general over all fitness. All good things that contribute to you being a possible survivor...that is if you are lucky and the guy makes a mistake or two.

The secret to winning a "real fight" is one, avoiding it. Two, having the advantage of suprise, three, having a bigger weapon than the other guy, four, having more people on your side than his.

[dakotajudo]

http://www.daito-ryu.com/en/frame.htm

Daito ryu aikijujutsu is one of the oldest schools of koryu jujutsu.

That is subject to debate. For instance:
http://www.aikidojournal.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5397&sid=2b224d214680cb20a3161d56e511ac2d

Or, a source you seem to trust:
http://www.koryubooks.com/guide/daito.html

Date founded: mid-Meiji period (ca. 1890)


But, let's assume the link you posted is factually correct. From that site:

The martial teachings were secretely passed on by the Takeda family to the present day. The 36° Soke, Takeda Tokimune (1915-1993), decided to let the world know these wonderful self-defense techniques only since 1990, by accepting the first foreigners students, and thus starting the developing of this art in the world.

How does an art that is passed secretly to the present day come to influence Kano's judo?


To say it had no influence on the schools of jujutsu that Kano studied and used as the basis for aikido isn't something I think you wish to do.

Sure I do - I've got multiple reference to the histories of Kano's two main jujutsu schools - the history is pretty well known. Daito-ryu is not in there.

And you did mean judo, not aikido, right?

[DCS]

http://www.daito-ryu.com/en/frame.htm

Daito ryu aikijujutsu is one of the oldest schools of koryu jujutsu. To say it had no influence on the schools of jujutsu that Kano studied and used as the basis for aikido isn't something I think you wish to do.

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[lawdog]

empty hand martial arts simply suck for "REAL" fights. The ones that are not consensual and might lead to dismemberment or death.

I think if this is your focus, training in them is a big waste of time. Sure, you can gain some skills that may be useful, but I'd rather spend my money on good tools such as guns, tasers, pepper spray, nice escrima sticks...and good classes that teach you how to use them.

What I have found TMA and MMA good for is teaching you fundamental principles of timing, posture, positioning, handling stress, mental toughness, and general over all fitness. All good things that contribute to you being a possible survivor...that is if you are lucky and the guy makes a mistake or two.

The secret to winning a "real fight" is one, avoiding it. Two, having the advantage of suprise, three, having a bigger weapon than the other guy, four, having more people on your side than his.

Spoken like an Aikidoka who truly understands his art.

[JegerMeister]

standing locks have won mma matches:
http://www.susumug.com/photo_window_event.php?photo_num=7&bout_id=1391


well, heres a wake up call about how easy locks are applied in a real fight. hope the clip works! http://j.b5z.net/i/u/2098198/f/x-UFC_-_Pride_GP_Gracie_v_Sakuraba.wmv

here is a tae kwon do style spinning back kick winning a match:
http://www.fightreport.net/gifs/loiseau_spinkick.gif

[JegerMeister]

and if you think that someone from the streets who has had to fight all his life to stay alive and has probly been in more more street brawls than most MMA fighters fight in their lives, cant beat the living shit out of somebody, you are mistaken.

my brother for instance has never trained anything at all, but the guy has the natual ability to just fuck people up, hes got hands like Belfort. I saw him drop kick a kid when we were in highschool who claimed to be some Karate BlackBelt, he jumped in the air and kicked this faggot square in the chest.

youd be surprised how many people from the streets can fight better pretty damn good, when you get jumped by 4 guys, you kinda learn how to defend yourself on the ground as well.

[JegerMeister]

It's good against drunks, and passive aggressive confrontations. Suprisingly, this DOES encompass many confrontational situations.

Against an amped and wildly swinging attacker bent on fucking you up - good luck. You are going to need something else.

so what do you call the gracie self defense method than? Hell in a new grappling magazine cover I see a picture of ken shamrock doing a standing arm bar.

[JegerMeister]

To keep it simple:

IF a systems lables itself or its practioners lable it as a "fighting system" then the average practioner MUST BE ABLE TO FIGHT.

IF a system is an "art form" or "form of exercise", then it sucks and should get shot and pissed on.

why dont you go to an itnernal art forum like emptyflower or to jareks forum and say that than? Im shure theyll care. :new_Llol:

[leavittk]

I get standing arm locks/wristl locks on occassion, just depends on the situation and the skill/background of the fighter. I'd much rather submit a guy standing than go to the ground...anyone want to argue counter to that?

Again, are we talking REAL FIGHTING, MMA Fighting, or dojo patty cake? It makes all the difference in the world.

It has been proven in MMA environment that you need to have a wide range of skills. I'd say grappling seems to be the base you need to have, along with some punching, kicking skills, and then some standup/closing skills..it also helps to have some arm and wristlocks.

My newest Royce Gracie book shows Royce using a "nikkyo" essentially to break the grip of the guy who is guarding his arm from an arm bar. Its all in there.

That said, anyone have a technique that can defeat a baseball bat, tire iron, or gun that comes from a real fight when you are suprised and don't see it coming, which is what most REAL fights will be....not the bar room, testosterone driven crap where some drunk dudes are showing off for the catch of the night! (never understood that really?) Absolutely, TMA and MMA work good in those situations.

Right tool for the right job!

[fug]

This is interesting. I work in security with a guy who's been in aki jujitsu for many ears, hes one of the instructors. Suffice to say, he's crazy. Not very big but tough as nails! He entered a tough man boxing competition last year. His only training was in Aki-jujitsu (however you spell it, its trivial). He Ko'ed the first two guys. In his third fight, he had his nose broken by an accidental head butt, he won that fight, and fought in the finals WITH A BROKEN NOSE!! He lost by the judges call, even though most ppl thought he took the last fight. His only training was with his Aki-jitsu club.

My point, and its been said a million times, is that its more determined by the instructor and the club than it is on the actual style. There are BJJ clubs that can't fight for shit either.
HOO HOO! Elipson's back!

[WarriorOfLuv]

To Kinzei:

Who is your sensei and which organization does he fall under? I, too, am an aikijujutsu n00b.

peace

[Kinzei]

My instructor is Deluna sensei . He trained in Japan (Gunma) under Inoue sensei. The name of the school is the Renshinkan Dojo. Head master is Matsuda sensei. Matsuda was a student of Sokaku Takeda. Where are you located at and who is your instructor/lineage?