ok someone fill me in on aiki jiu jitsu

[Jekyll]

Correct me if I'm wrong but it is also commonly spelled "s-p-e-l-l-e-d".

j/k

Members of this forum may on occasion be English. We do apologise terribly for any inconvience it might cause you old chap.

"One can not resist non-resistance." - Aikijujitsu maxim
"I'd fight Ghandi." ~ Fight Club

[jonesm20]

First timer, so fully expecting to get reamed.

Aikijujutsu starts with jujutsu, it starts with full resistance grappling, similar to judo. Learn the fundamentals of how to take balance. Training is similar to judo with the addition of atemi as a way to facilitate taking balance. When I see the Aiki aspect being done, it doesn't look like the aiki in Aikido. I think a lot of people misunderstand aiki as ki power or some mysterious force, it is none of that crap. When timing, proper body positioning and a little subtelty are done at once it has a good effect and people who don't understand think it is some kind of magic. Also Ueshiba infused good aiki training with Omoto religious nonsense and spiritual harmony. Real aiki is about using less energy to kill people. Plain and simple.

[Yrkoon9]

Real aiki would be using les energy to kill people?

Ultimate aiki would be gun-jutsu then?

[Ronin]

Actually the amount of energy produced by a firearm is pretty high.

[jonesm20]

:qleft5: :qright2:

You guys have fun smilies here.

Sure, guns are real good especially if there is a little distance and the person knows what the hell they are doing (ie they don't shoot themselves).

It all comes down to why we train, what kind of end game we have, sport, exercise, world domination, whatever. Real aiki arts are combat arts based around a japanese system of fighting wars. Will they work in a MMA ring, eh, maybe, but MMA would be crap on a ancient japanese battle field, so what is the difference, which is more relevant to the real, modern world. MMA I suppose because it contributes to our economy and ancient martial traditions don't.

What is better in a MMA ring, a MMA fighter or Aiki jujutsu, easy answer right. What does it mean about aiki jujusu as an art?

How do members of this forum judge whether or not an art is Bullshido? Is it based on the MMA format or something else? Sorry newbie question.

[Ronin]

How do members of this forum judge whether or not an art is Bullshido? Is it based on the MMA format or something else? Sorry newbie question.


To keep it simple:

IF a systems lables itself or its practioners lable it as a "fighting system" then the average practioner MUST BE ABLE TO FIGHT.

IF a system is an "art form" or "form of exercise", then it sucks and should get shot and pissed on.

[storm_shadow]

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[storm_shadow]

Aikijitsu, aikijujitsu... blah. They're both forms of Daito Ryu Aiki Jutjisu, correct? Anyone, all of this aiki shit is equally useless, and pleasurable to poke fun at.


Perhaps its one of these dudes www.daitoryu.net

Or maybe its this dude from the uk check out the vid clip www.zenkenpo.com

[Samfoo]

It's good against drunks, and passive aggressive confrontations. Suprisingly, this DOES encompass many confrontational situations.

Against an amped and wildly swinging attacker bent on fucking you up - good luck. You are going to need something else.

I can't agree more. This right here is why I stopped doing Hapkido years ago. We have a couple Hapkido guys I used to train with who show up sometimes to the Shootfighting class here and they have yet, to this day, been able to apply a single jointlock in standup sparring against a resistant opponent. Personally I think anyone with halfway decent striking and some decent takedown skills is much better off.

[jonesm20]

I guess my question is one of what is "fighting". Sports are not fighting, they are violent, I'll give you that, someone could get killed. But when people die this is seen as an accident wheras in fighting, death is the whole purpose of the encounter. This totally changes the reality of the encounter. Few of us in modern society deal with these kind of encounters so a real martial art in a modern context trains us for fighting to the death with the full expectation that this will never happen. This is a shitty paradox that is hard to deal with, at least for me. Also, if you ever use your training you'll be alive, but you'll get thrown in jail (depending on which state you are in).

So the whole idea of fighting in martial arts is kind of a false reality, so back to the question of aikijujutsu and its effectivness, it is definitly a fighting art, most of the techniques I am taught end up with me slicing opponents throat with a knife (well a pretend knife/tanto) Great for the battle field, not so good for staying out of jail, good for fighting to death, not so good for MMA ring. That is my thought.

[Samfoo]

But when people die this is seen as an accident wheras in fighting, death is the whole purpose of the encounter. This totally changes the reality of the encounter. Few of us in modern society deal with these kind of encounters so a real martial art in a modern context trains us for fighting to the death with the full expectation that this will never happen.

Double-ew Tee Eff? How is real fighting to the death? I've been in some fights on "teh str33t" and none of the participants left dead. I don't train to fight to the death though so I may not be d34d1y enough in my techniques to compare. Anyway, if you were really training to the death then you should just bulk up to 320 lbs and learning a little wrestling. Or learn some knife technique and carry a 4" blade with you at all times. I guarantee your deadly AikiBudo won't stop someone like that bent on killing you.

[TakeAnother]

for fighting to death, not so good for MMA ring.

You're using a variant of the much-mocked "too deadly" argument. Use the search function if you really feel like reading the hundreds of posts dealing with this exact subject.

If you want me to distill it for you: basically, you're not learning anything that would be useful in a real fight.

[Fantasy Warrior]

I'm too deadly to participate in this debate; if I did, someone could get killed. Therefore I practice my debating skills in my bathroom mirror -for safety reasons.

[Samfoo]

I'm too deadly to participate in this debate; if I did, someone could get killed. Therefore I practice my debating skills in my bathroom mirror -for safety reasons.

Wouldn't that kill yourself?

[Ronin]

I guess my question is one of what is "fighting". Sports are not fighting, they are violent, I'll give you that, someone could get killed. But when people die this is seen as an accident wheras in fighting, death is the whole purpose of the encounter. This totally changes the reality of the encounter. Few of us in modern society deal with these kind of encounters so a real martial art in a modern context trains us for fighting to the death with the full expectation that this will never happen. This is a shitty paradox that is hard to deal with, at least for me. Also, if you ever use your training you'll be alive, but you'll get thrown in jail (depending on which state you are in).

So the whole idea of fighting in martial arts is kind of a false reality, so back to the question of aikijujutsu and its effectivness, it is definitly a fighting art, most of the techniques I am taught end up with me slicing opponents throat with a knife (well a pretend knife/tanto) Great for the battle field, not so good for staying out of jail, good for fighting to death, not so good for MMA ring. That is my thought.


As someone who has done MA for fighting, sport and life taking, I can say this:

Same shit, different pile.

[jonesm20]

Too deadly? Are there varying levels of death? I am not using the "too deadly" argument, this is the kind of crap Aikidoka use to explain their lack of involvement in MMA tournaments. I am just trying to figure out what you guys are describing when you say "fight", weapons? multiple attackers? What is it that you are all preparing for? Highly trained BJJ fighters prowling the streets?

I am not trolling here I just have never understood what qualifies a "fight" appropriate martial art. Is the MMA venue really the best judge as Mark Tennenhouse thought, or some kind of fictitous street fight or a modern military combat zone? Does MMA prepare you for someone swinging at your head with a Louisville Slugger, or a golf club? Does anything or should we just hope to avoid these kind of things and fight like a mad man when it comes?