Missing the point.

[KenpoDude]

maybe it's me.... i'll definately get told so in any case.

It isn't the art that sucks.
It isn't the school that sucks.
It isnt the sensei that sucks.
If anything sucks, it's you. You are uncommited, uncoordinated, and untrainable. If you do not put forth the effort to learn, the effort to train, and the desire to become a true student, you will not succeed.

I'm tired of reading this BB and seeing 'wing chun/bujinko/TKD/etc sucks and BJJ and MT are 't3h d34d|y' ... ' your art is only as good as you train to be.

Here's my vote that a dedicated vingtsunner can whup a lazy BJJer.

I understand that i'm a newbie to this group, and am subject to severe criticism for this thread, but i stand by my sentiments.

:angry7:

kd

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[Aesopian]

So how does someone who trains hard in BJJ and MT compare to this dedicated vingtsunner?

[PO9]

Please post the video evidence.

[MEGA JESUS-SAMA]

What was that analogy I used? That a good art won't make up for a bad fighter, but a bad art won't make a good fighter? There's shitty BJJ practitioners, but that doesn't mean Yellow Bamboo has any value to it whatsoever.

[Kungfoolss]

maybe it's me.... i'll definately get told so in any case.

It isn't the art that sucks.
It isn't the school that sucks.
It isnt the sensei that sucks.
If anything sucks, it's you. You are uncommited, uncoordinated, and untrainable. If you do not put forth the effort to learn, the effort to train, and the desire to become a true student, you will not succeed.

I'm tired of reading this BB and seeing 'wing chun/bujinko/TKD/etc sucks and BJJ and MT are 't3h d34d|y' ... ' your art is only as good as you train to be.

Here's my vote that a dedicated vingtsunner can whup a lazy BJJer.

I understand that i'm a newbie to this group, and am subject to severe criticism for this thread, but i stand by my sentiments.


What does this have to do with 'Techniques and Tactics' ? :icon_roll

[KenpoDude]

Why are they fighting? Who wants to win more? Who has more experience? Who is in the better health? Which one can stand the most pain? Which one has fought the other style before?

It's never as simple as style vs. style. You can't judge it by videoclips.

kd

[PO9]

NO . . .

[KenpoDude]

What does this have to do with 'Techniques and Tactics' ? :icon_roll


well, it has to do with the opposite of techniques and tactics... :icon_scra

i wanted the opinion of those who visit this particular forum. If it should reside elsewhere, feel free to move it.

kd

[GAB corp.]

maybe it's me.... i'll definately get told so in any case.

It isn't the art that sucks.
It isn't the school that sucks.
It isnt the sensei that sucks.
If anything sucks, it's you. You are uncommited, uncoordinated, and untrainable. If you do not put forth the effort to learn, the effort to train, and the desire to become a true student, you will not succeed.

I'm tired of reading this BB and seeing 'wing chun/bujinko/TKD/etc sucks and BJJ and MT are 't3h d34d|y' ... ' your art is only as good as you train to be.

Here's my vote that a dedicated vingtsunner can whup a lazy BJJer.

I understand that i'm a newbie to this group, and am subject to severe criticism for this thread, but i stand by my sentiments.

:angry7:

kd

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That's not necessarily true. Of course a lot of things depend on the individual and if that individual tries really hard, they could do really great things. But if all the individual is taught is crap, then they can do that really well, but it's still crap. Does this make sense? o_o

[Aesopian]

Why are they fighting? Who wants to win more? Who has more experience? Who is in the better health? Which one can stand the most pain? Which one has fought the other style before?

It's never as simple as style vs. style. You can't judge it by videoclips.

kdCan you judge it by long term trends in MMA competition and firsthand testimony?

[KenpoDude]

GAB Corp... if a good student would realize through sparring/research/study what doesn't work for him/her and adjust the techniques to work or disregard it completely. Given a place to train, the desire to improve, and insight, the student could acheive great things.

kd

[KenpoDude]

Aesopian,

MMA isn't a very realistic fight, simply because there's rules. You also get time to scout the opponent, view previous fights, search for weaknesses, counters, and strong points. He gets the same time to do the same to you. It's a different kind of preparedness.

To be honest, i haven't found any firsthand testimonials that were *that* objective, if you have any, i'd enjoy reading them. Feel free to post up or PM.

All i'm saying is that it's all up to the practitioner.

kd

[GAB corp.]

GAB Corp... if a good student would realize through sparring/research/study what doesn't work for him/her and adjust the techniques to work or disregard it completely. Given a place to train, the desire to improve, and insight, the student could acheive great things.

kd


Ok, I agree with that, but if you have to fix something that you were taught then what does that say about the style? I don't know, this seems to make sense in my head. Anyway, that was my main point.

[supercrap]

Aesopian,

MMA isn't a very realistic fight, simply because there's rules. You also get time to scout the opponent, view previous fights, search for weaknesses, counters, and strong points. He gets the same time to do the same to you. It's a different kind of preparedness.
I AM SO FUCKING SICK OF HEARING THIS.

[Aesopian]

I know someone who has been fighting for a long time. He has trained in a lot of "hardcore" schools and styles with hard sparring and competed in competitions. He did hardcore kung fu as kid; he has done boxing, kickboxing, Shidokan, karate, wing chun and more. He holds black belts in judo and japanese jiu-jitsu. He has hand-to-hand training from the navy. He has done all sorts of self defense courses in his training as a corrections officer. He used to do go "dojo storming" and beat up instructors.

Can you guess what style truly impressed him out of all he has done, and which is the only one that keeps him training, since it's depth and scope is so great? What did the black belt study who he describes as "just playing with me" the first time they sparred? What is the only art that keeps his interest after all these years?

Yes, BJJ.

[KenpoDude]

Ok, I agree with that, but if you have to fix something that you were taught then what does that say about the style?

I understand what you're saying. If you feel that certain styles have too much to 'fix' then the style isn't appropriate for you... they style isn't broken.

There are things to fix in every style. Not every technique works for every person. There's a guy in my classes who won't tap when in a paintbrush, says they don't hurt. I have to 'fix' bjj when i grapple him.

kd