Missing the point.

[Aesopian]

I don't know. I just enjoy reading your many evangelical BJJ posts. Preach on.
You know, when I was training Kenpo karate, there was a guy who quit BJJ/MT to train Kenpo because he thought it was more street effective. What's my point? Once again, I don't know. And now back to the Oscar's.http://tinypic.com/1yr7tv

[Tenguru]

http://tinypic.com/1yr7tv

Ah, yes. It's so clear now. But if only he knew that kenpo <> kempo.

[Aesopian]

It's all ke?po to me.

[Thaiboxerken]

Aesop is correct, it's not just the fighter, it's a combination of system, training, school, and tactics as well.

[Boyd]

why? is it wrong? your post doesn't help much.

kd

Yes. it is wrong. And if you want to know why you can use the fucking search engine and feel free to look up the other 800 fucking threads about this because I am NOT fucking explaining this to you or anyone else ever again.

And your point. You talk about how some people may train harder than others. What does this have to do, at all, with one style being better than another? I can train for 20 years in Kempo and fight someone who's trained on and off for two months in BJJ and kick his ass*, but all you've tested is training frequency WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING AT ALL.


I'm not even going to pussyfoot around this. The following arts are better than all others because they teach you to fight: wrestling, boxing, brazilian jiu jitsu, judo, some karate variants, muay thai, and sambo. Pretty much everything else will waste ungodly amounts of time and take infinitely longer to reach the same level of competency. This is a fact.

*no I wouldn't. That's how bad Kempo sucks.

[Tenguru]

It's all ke?po to me.

*Looks around, awaiting the wrath of Clyde*
The whole kenpo/kempo thing is kind of confusing. I trained in both of them, and the method of teaching the style is pretty much the same. The same emphasis on striking with some occasional takedowns, use of the hands and feet pretty much equally, oddly named technique sequences, etc. I've seen some guys who do ken/mpo who could brawl. Nevertheless, I'm currently training grappling. Are there lot's of hot chicks in Clearwater? cause that's what its really all about.

[Aesopian]

Only during the tourist season, when they come down for the beaches.

Regardless, I do BJJ, so why would I care about chicks in the first place?

[celticdragon03]

Aesopian, it is quite apparent that you have a strong bias in favor of BJJ. Just like I have a strong bias in favor of Kung fu....

I will not say all other MA besides mine are not as effective (not that you said this Aesopian, just making a point) when, meanwhile I have never formally trained in another style. This is very ignorant.

Kenpo dude, I believe you do have a point. My ONLY complaint about this forum is the STONG bias in favor of BJJ and MT. Now these styles are very effective, and with the right training, I believe that all legitimate MA styles can be effective with correct training, even wing chun. Now matter how many ways you try to formally test style agaist style, someone will always argue that it was not fair because...blah blah, you know how it goes.

On the other hand, kd's other point about how its not the art, school or teacher that "sucks" but the student, I would strongly disagree. All of these things can "suck" equally in the case of Yellow Bamboo, but in most cases it is either the student, teacher, or the school that are bad, and not the art. This is the purpose of Bullshido, to weed out the bad MA schools and teachers.

[Aesopian]

This forum has a bias towards proven results.

[Tenguru]

Only during the tourist season, when they come down for the beaches.

Regardless, I do BJJ, so why would I care about chicks in the first place?

Hahahahaha. Seriously, my lack of progress for the first few months was due to my extreme discomfort with being in proximity to some dudes groin. I mean, I was a striker, and all of a sudden some dude is now trying to triangle me, and put my head between his legs. WTF! But, since the grappling shit works, I guess I will just have to stay with it, and work out my traumatic near-groinage experiences with my therapist.

Back to the point of this thread. It's all about averages. Practitioners of certain arts, on average, are far more likely to p0wn practitioners of other arts because the tech/theory/practice are superior. There are always exceptions. There are guys who could kick your ass using the Riverdance. That is all.

[celticdragon03]

Back to the point of this thread. It's all about averages. Practitioners of certain arts, on average, are far more likely to p0wn practitioners of other arts because the tech/theory/practice are superior. There are always exceptions. There are guys who could kick your ass using the Riverdance. That is all.

I cold kick your ass using Riverdance :hello2:

[Tenguru]

I cold kick your ass using Riverdance :hello2:

I always thought the Riverdance dude was pretty amazing. His legs just flailing about effortlessly. Imagine if he could combine his mighty leg dexterity with the real TKD. Imaging the carnage. You would go for the takedown, and get hit with a machine gun barrage of spinning kicks. That is all.

[supercrap]

Wing Chun stepping, when executed correctly, looks identical to Riverdance.

[celticdragon03]

Yes his name is Michael Flatley, the fastest dancer ever on record. He was recorded doing 30 taps in one second!

Combining Riverdancing skills and MA skills makes for some d3adley footwork! ;-)

[celticdragon03]

Wing Chun stepping, when executed correctly, looks identical to Riverdance.

haha nice comparison, you have a point there

[Dochter]

My ONLY complaint about this forum is the STONG bias in favor of BJJ and MT. Now these styles are very effective, and with the right training, I believe that all legitimate MA styles can be effective with correct training, even wing chun. As mentioned this forum's only bias is towards efficacy.
Most of the moderators and I believe all of the admins have roots in "TMA's" and not all of them disregard those roots like I do my own in tma's.

On the other hand it is entirely possible that with proper training "even Wing Chun" can be effective. The issue is that alive training is like kryptonite to most of these arts.

Ask yourself some questions:
Do you spar?
How often?
What are the rules?
Do they exclude some important aspect of your preferred range (striking but no clinching etc.)?
Is outside competition encouraged?
Which is more important: efficacy or aesthetics?

Certainly some people have different goals for ma training and don't care about learning to fight and defend themselves; however, if you do there are very specific answers to these questions. The reasons that boxing, judo, wrestling, bjj, mt, etc. are favored here is that most of the time they answer correctly.