Dahn Yoga & Tai Chi Centers

[tigressamyjo]

Again, thank you for posting. The more information we collect, the better armed we are.

Just a word of warning, their Shim Sung (true self) seminars are designed to mentally re-condition you. Confirmed by Steve Hassan and several other psychiatrists. Please see my earlier posts. Stay FAR away.

They chant along the lines of ne pa jin dong.... something... it means brain wave. Another mental conditioning tactic. You can reference Steve Hassan's web site http://www.freedomofmind.com/ or book about this. Dahn's tactics fit the glove perfectly. Message me for more info if you like.

There were alegations of the tea/ incense being laced with marijuana, again, please reference an earlier post. If you can't find it, I will PM you the link. As for the machines, when I got my free reading at a Dahn expo in Arlington Heights, they said my aura was too orange or something... and I needed to come in and get it fixed.

Can you please ask some of the dahn masters (separately) about the history of their Dahn Yoga, and then the history of their "Tai Chi?" I am curious to see how many different answers you get. I got some variation from my questioning.

Thank you again.


When I asked, they seemed honestly offended by the idea that I would even compare Dahn Yoga to Tai Chi. That's a bit confusing considering it says "Tai Chi centers" on everything...
Everyone here is so nice to me. No one has ever tried pressuring me into joining really. They've offered to take payments for one of the camps they did, but when I said I couldn't go, that was that. My boss is wonderful here. When I asked her questions about their programs and ideas, she gave me a few books to read, but honestly I could never worship Ilchi Lee the way everyone seems to within the organization. He's just a guy with an idea. Ideas that would probably be great if taken in moderation rather than to such an extreme. The IDEA is great; the money-making sceme isn't so friendly, but business rarely is.
Maybe it's just because I'm not going into the centers that I don't see any of the things I hear about so frequently.
BUT the center managers make it a point to deny, deny, deny a LOT when it comes to member complaints. I've had a couple call me just to tell me that the members were lying. At my previous jobs, no one would even bother denying a customer's negative and possibly untrue allegations simply because with some investigation, the truth would be discovered anyways. It went without saying.
At this point, I'm still watching and waiting with an open mind. I try to reserve judgement!
Regardless, I would never be able to join, but that hasn't seemed to be a problem with them that I won't. So far, its just a normal job for me.

[Humanzee]

When I asked, they seemed honestly offended by the idea that I would even compare Dahn Yoga to Tai Chi. That's a bit confusing considering it says "Tai Chi centers" on everything...
Everyone here is so nice to me. No one has ever tried pressuring me into joining really. They've offered to take payments for one of the camps they did, but when I said I couldn't go, that was that. My boss is wonderful here. When I asked her questions about their programs and ideas, she gave me a few books to read, but honestly I could never worship Ilchi Lee the way everyone seems to within the organization. He's just a guy with an idea. Ideas that would probably be great if taken in moderation rather than to such an extreme. The IDEA is great; the money-making sceme isn't so friendly, but business rarely is.
Maybe it's just because I'm not going into the centers that I don't see any of the things I hear about so frequently.
BUT the center managers make it a point to deny, deny, deny a LOT when it comes to member complaints. I've had a couple call me just to tell me that the members were lying. At my previous jobs, no one would even bother denying a customer's negative and possibly untrue allegations simply because with some investigation, the truth would be discovered anyways. It went without saying.
At this point, I'm still watching and waiting with an open mind. I try to reserve judgement!
Regardless, I would never be able to join, but that hasn't seemed to be a problem with them that I won't. So far, its just a normal job for me.

Thanks, Tigressamyjoe. Keep on doing what you're doing, and don't let anyone pressure into anything you don't agree to. (Looks like you're doing well on that account.)

On a related note, member EyesWideOpen has pointed me to this recent lawsuit filed by former Dahn masters.

http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/d/dahn-hak/former-dahn-masters-file-law-suit/


May 29th, 2009 -
This is a law suit filed on May 20th 2009 by twenty-four former Dahn masters.

It is the most ambitious lawsuit of its kind by multiple victims who are seeking financial compensation in order to address the heavy debt that have incurred by their membership in Ilchi Lee’s organization.
One woman alleges that she was raped by Ilchi Lee in Korea.

There have been several other women who have also alleged to have been raped by Lee.

PDF:
http://www.freedomofmind.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/multiple-claimant-complaint.pdf


Will keep updating as news comes.

[Humanzee]

Member EyesWideOpen has alerted me to this bit of news.
It seems that former Dahn masters have finally pressed charges against Lee for sexual assault and coersion.

http://wbztv.com/local/Dahn.Yoga.Healing.2.1041584.html

Just a few excerpts...


But now a class action suit has been filed against the organization by 26 former members who claim they were subjected to "psychological manipulation."

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But soon she and Harrelson say they were coerced into devoting their lives to Dahn, isolated from family and friends.

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They claim the mission to heal the earth quickly turned into something else, bringing more money into Dahn.

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"If you didn't take a workshop then your spirit would somehow suffer," said Harrelson.

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The lawsuit claims the members were subjected to "thought reform, coercive persuasion and undue influence."

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She believes she was being groomed for Lee, summoned to Korea to work alongside him, and claiming she was forced to have sex with the leader. That was the turning point for her after four years.



Seems some former members are finally speaking out publically.

[Shiningwolf]

Yeah, the first time I went in there asking about their "Tai Chi" they asked me for my experience. I told them 2 years. They never mentioned it again.

Second time I went in there specifically for an investigation (told them I had 0 experience) they tried to sell it to me as an ancient art of the Korean Kings, over 5000 years old.

About the energy reading, did they press accupressure points on you, and try to tell you the pain is energy blockages?

***
And again, just to nail this point home, what they showed me at the Dahn center, was in no way, shape or form Taiji Quan. About 3 of the poses were it, but even those were tense to a fault, and violated just about every Taiji classic (shoulder movement, tension, full extension of hands, etc.)

No, the energy reading was just a big metal box that had a glass(?) top with a black plastic(?) covering that had a hang shape cut out of it. I placed my hand in the middle and it just made a bunch of colors. The master told me each color corresponded to a part of my personality.

Sorry that i haven't been keeping up with the thread.

Anyways, let me elaborate more on my experience there. I attended a summer camp thing they had there when i was a kid. They made us purchase these soft, vibrating brains (i'm not joking) that apparently would help us with our meditation. In addition to that we learned some "tai chi" forms (i just picked up some tai chi recently and i could already tell what i learned there and what i'm learning now are COMPLETELY two different creatures).

The "chi" work we did just consisted of sitting cross legged and having the master touch us and do different things that would open up out chakra. Apparently pinching the center of my palms for 20 seconds would open up my chi flow. That and the resulting strange feeling from that (i can't exactly remember it, its been a few years) was proof that the chi was there. There was constant talk of showering ourselves with chi. Bad chi leaving the left foot, good chi coming in the left, et cetera. One of the most MEMORABLE classes i attended (it was an adult class, i went with my mom) was when the dimmed the lights, played some music that resembled african drums and had us, well there is no real way to describe it but it resembled people jumping around while having seizures, let go and do what ever our body wanted (or something like that.

ANYWAYS, i'm out for the summer and seeing how i'm blessed with the honor of living a few blocks from one, on sunday (or maybe monday if i can't do it then) go in and ask some questions for you guys, anyone have any in mind?

[Humanzee]

No, the energy reading was just a big metal box that had a glass(?) top with a black plastic(?) covering that had a hang shape cut out of it. I placed my hand in the middle and it just made a bunch of colors. The master told me each color corresponded to a part of my personality.

Sorry that i haven't been keeping up with the thread.

Anyways, let me elaborate more on my experience there. I attended a summer camp thing they had there when i was a kid. They made us purchase these soft, vibrating brains (i'm not joking) that apparently would help us with our meditation. In addition to that we learned some "tai chi" forms (i just picked up some tai chi recently and i could already tell what i learned there and what i'm learning now are COMPLETELY two different creatures).

The "chi" work we did just consisted of sitting cross legged and having the master touch us and do different things that would open up out chakra. Apparently pinching the center of my palms for 20 seconds would open up my chi flow. That and the resulting strange feeling from that (i can't exactly remember it, its been a few years) was proof that the chi was there. There was constant talk of showering ourselves with chi. Bad chi leaving the left foot, good chi coming in the left, et cetera. One of the most MEMORABLE classes i attended (it was an adult class, i went with my mom) was when the dimmed the lights, played some music that resembled african drums and had us, well there is no real way to describe it but it resembled people jumping around while having seizures, let go and do what ever our body wanted (or something like that.

ANYWAYS, i'm out for the summer and seeing how i'm blessed with the honor of living a few blocks from one, on sunday (or maybe monday if i can't do it then) go in and ask some questions for you guys, anyone have any in mind?

Hey Wolf man, thanks for your willingness to help. Unfortunately I hit the local center one too many times, and I think they know my face by now.

Luckily they keep rotating their masters, so maybe in a few months I can try again.

In terms of things to ask,

1. History of their art (Dahn) I got diff. stories on this one
a. 5000 year old Korean art of the kings (before Korea existed as a kingdom)
b. Lee invented it
*** I heard from an anonymous source that most of Dahn Qi Gong is a ripoff of an art called Gook Sun Do, but looking around, I only found one reference to it from an artist named Bobbie Koh. I sent her an e-mail but never got a response.

2. History of their Taiji (it says Taiji on the sign, so don't let them tell you it's something else. If it is, ask them why the sign says Taiji.) Normally they try to sell you their Dahn Mu Do classes at this point.

3. Lineage of their Taiji (they will try to tell you it's special Korean style, dig for more details)

4. **If they try to sell you their Dahn Mu Do, ask about it's lineage
Again you will either get the story about Lee inventing it (he didn't one of his followers did,) or the 5000 year old art of Korean kings.

Thats all that comes to mind.
Good luck.

Also, since it seems you had experience in Dahn before, did they ever press hard on your accupressure points during any kind of health/energy evaluation? Just curious.

[Shiningwolf]

Kk, i'll try to stop by there tomorrow and ask those questions. Also, it has a been a VERY long time, but i do vaguely remember some lady pressing places on my body and getting a weird feeling, but thats about it :P

[penelope]

1. History of their art (Dahn) I got diff. stories on this one
a. 5000 year old Korean art of the kings (before Korea existed as a kingdom)
b. Lee invented it
*** I heard from an anonymous source that most of Dahn Qi Gong is a ripoff of an art called Gook Sun Do, but looking around, I only found one reference to it from an artist named Bobbie Koh. I sent her an e-mail but never got a response.

2. History of their Taiji [...]

[...]

Also, since it seems you had experience in Dahn before, did they ever press hard on your accupressure points during any kind of health/energy evaluation? Just curious.

Hi,

I know you didn't ask me, but I have been trying to understand what they're talking about and have Googled quite a lot to try to figure it out. I think this is how it goes:

The thing about Dahnhak being more than 4333 years old or being about 10,000 years old is based on some of Korea's many founding myths.

Something like this: Almost 10,000 years ago, a spiritual, enlightened kingdom was supposedly established for the first time, in Korea, when the son (Hwanung) of the Heavenly King, or Lord in Heaven, (Han-in, or Hwanin) was granted permission by Hwanin to descend from heaven to Earth to "benefit mankind" (a widely used guiding principle in Korea today and one that Ilchi Lee says is a central concept to his teachings.) Hwanung, the story goes, took 3000 spirit beings with him to establish a community on Mt. Baekdu.

lchi Lee is saying that Korean Taoism, with its Taoist ki-gong (as opposed to Chinese Taoism and Taoist qigong), was established by this spiritual society of 10,000 years ago, giving Taoism a Korean origin. (It sounds to me like it also gives God, "Lord in Heaven," a Korean origin, but I don't know if anyone has gone so far as to actually say that.)

Kouk Sun Do became a fairly popular practice in the 60's, before Ilchi Lee packaged his Dahnhak program in the late 80's. Kouk Sun Do claims the same kind of 10,000 year old heritage to Korean Taoism (see Wikipedia). Kouk Sun Do talks of a teacher who descended from his life on a mountain in Korea in the late 1960's to spread Kouk Sun Do to the people. Ilchi Lee later also supposedly descended from a mountain top in the late 1980's, after a 21 day fast (no food, drink, or sleep) that led to the epiphany to modernize and teach Dahnhak.

It looks like Ilchi Lee based his program and concepts on Kouk Sun Do (and I read that a popular novel about a Sondo master called "Dahn" preceded his new Dahnhak programs) but he "modernized" and expanded upon it to include contemporary things like brain science and a lot of "New Age" ideas, trademarking old terms like dahn and dahnhak and dahnjon breathing for his own programs.

Sometimes you hear Dahn saying that their practice goes back more than 4000 or 5000 years, to 2333 BC or earlier. That's based on another part of that Korean founding myth, accepted in Korea as generally factual even if not always taken literally, that a bear and a tiger lived in a cave together and wanted to become human. Hwanung (son of Lord in Heaven) granted their wish under the conditon that they first fast for 21 days in a cave. (Maybe that's where llchi Lee got the idea to fast for exactly 21 days.) The woman did it but the man didn't stick to the fast, and so she became human and had a child, Dangun (Tan'gun).

Dangun supposedly ruled an enlightened kingdom for more than a thousand years using Korean Taoism, the ideals of benefitting mankind, and a one-world utopia, based on the "Chun-bu-kyung" (spelled a lot of different ways by different authors), described as a one page "scripture" (looks like some kind of numerology to me. Ilchi Lee and his followers recite that scripture. Ilchi Lee erected a lot of Dangun statues in Korea. Some Koreans worship Dangun as a god. I heard that some Dahn masters do thousands of bows to a statue of Dangun or to a picture of Ilchi Lee.


Asian Studies author, Donald Baker <http://www.aasianst.org/absts/1995abst/korea/kses73.htm> wrote: (I added some things in brackets): "Since this revival of interest in Taoist longevity techniques is part of the general resurgence of pride in traditional Korean culture, the Chinese roots of these ideas and practices have been hidden. Instead, the han munhwa won [a Korean Dahn organization] insists that Tangun [or Dangun, mythical founder of ancient Korea] originated tanjon hohup [Lee's Dahnjon Breathing] and that any Chinese familiarity with those longevity techniques is because the Chinese learned it from Tangun's successors. Moreover, the han munhwa won promises that soon much of the world will be practicing tanjon hohup and paying respect to Korea as its originator, ushering in a new world order with Korea at the spiritual center."

I probably didn't get the details all right, but I think that's the main thrust behind their supposedly ancient lineage. Correct me if I'm wrong, anyone.

About the acupuncture on hands, I remember reading a news story about a master who was leading the hike when Julia Siverls died doing hard acupuncture on her hand to try to revive her while she was dying.

[penelope]

I left out a little part of the Dangun myth: The son of Lord in Heaven (Hwanung), living on earth at the time, had relations with the Bear Woman to become Dangun's father. That made Dangun, supposedly the ancestor of the Korean race, half-divine spirit/half-human. - grandson of Lord in Heaven. Apparently it's a big deal to a lot of Koreans to be "pure" Korean, all descendants of Dangun the god-man.

You have to wonder if non-Korean Dahn masters who are bent on saving the world by creating a one-world utopia under Ilchi Lee realize that it's all based on Korea-centric fantastical mythology about the Korean "race" being literal descendants of the grandson of Lord in Heaven?

[Humanzee]

You have to wonder if non-Korean Dahn masters who are bent on saving the world by creating a one-world utopia under Ilchi Lee realize that it's all based on Korea-centric fantastical mythology about the Korean "race" being literal descendants of the grandson of Lord in Heaven?

I doubt it. Dahn's target audience is either bored house wives, or impressionable college kids who never bother to read up on what they're being fed, and eat it up as "magical asian traditions." At least Dahn found a way to exploit orientalism.

I said it before, I'll say it again, people need to learn to read, and cross reference material. Maybe then they might see that the BS they're being fed is just that.

[penelope]

I just found this detailed article on the mythical origins of Kuksondo, (same as "Kouk Sun Do"), which looks like it fits with what Ilchi Lee says about his own program's 10,000 year old lineage.

[URL="http://www.ekoreajournal.net/archive/detail.jsp?VOLUMENO=26&BOOKNUM=8&PAPERNUM=4&TOTALSEARCH=&AUTHORENAME=&PAPERTITLE=&KEYWORD=&PAPERTYPE=0&SUBJECT=0&STARTYEAR=1961&ENDYEAR=2003&LISTOPTION=1&KEYPAGE=10&PAGE=77"[/URL]"] (You have to scroll down to the Kuksondo article and download the pdf.)

A Dahn website says that an ancient text, the Han-dahn Ko-gi, relates that Emperor Han-in, who lived in Central Asia about 10,000 years ago, awakened to the divine nature of humanity through the practice of Shin-seon-do (Taoist practices).

"Ancient" text? The "Han Dahn Ko-gi," is the same as what other people call "Handan Gogi," or "Whandan Gogi." The Wikipedia article on Handan Gogi says: "...most historians in South Korea, North Korea and Japan generally consider the Hwandangogi to have been created in recent times ..." Another related Wikipedia article says about this supposedly ancient text: "...a highly controversial book that purports to describe hitherto-unrecorded events that happened millennia before its compilation."

[Humanzee]

I just found this detailed article on the mythical origins of Kuksondo, (same as "Kouk Sun Do"), which looks like it fits with what Ilchi Lee says about his own program's 10,000 year old lineage.

[url="http://www.ekoreajournal.net/archive/detail.jsp?VOLUMENO=26&BOOKNUM=8&PAPERNUM=4&TOTALSEARCH=&AUTHORENAME=&PAPERTITLE=&KEYWORD=&PAPERTYPE=0&SUBJECT=0&STARTYEAR=1961&ENDYEAR=2003&LISTOPTION=1&KEYPAGE=10&PAGE=77"[/URL]"] (You have to scroll down to the Kuksondo article and download the pdf.)

A Dahn website says that an ancient text, the Han-dahn Ko-gi, relates that Emperor Han-in, who lived in Central Asia about 10,000 years ago, awakened to the divine nature of humanity through the practice of Shin-seon-do (Taoist practices).

"Ancient" text? The "Han Dahn Ko-gi," is the same as what other people call "Handan Gogi," or "Whandan Gogi." The Wikipedia article on Handan Gogi says: "...most historians in South Korea, North Korea and Japan generally consider the Hwandangogi to have been created in recent times ..." Another related Wikipedia article says about this supposedly ancient text: "...a highly controversial book that purports to describe hitherto-unrecorded events that happened millennia before its compilation."

Good catch, Penelope. I'd high five you if I could.
There are allegations that Lee's other text, the Chun Bu Kyung (the one he claims to be a super-ancient Korean spiritual text) was co authored by himself, and a number of his first followers. Still digging for more info on that end.

[Freddy]

I left out a little part of the Dangun myth: The son of Lord in Heaven (Hwanung), living on earth at the time, had relations with the Bear Woman to become Dangun's father. That made Dangun, supposedly the ancestor of the Korean race, half-divine spirit/half-human. - grandson of Lord in Heaven. Apparently it's a big deal to a lot of Koreans to be "pure" Korean, all descendants of Dangun the god-man.
You have to wonder if non-Korean Dahn masters who are bent on saving the world by creating a one-world utopia under Ilchi Lee realize that it's all based on Korea-centric fantastical mythology about the Korean "race" being literal descendants of the grandson of Lord in Heaven?
It sounds very similar to NAZI supermen ideology.

[Humanzee]

It sounds very similar to NAZI supermen ideology.

I would definitely not go that far. None of Dahn's ideals involve ethnic cleansing, although they do seem extremely eletist at master level. Still... I wouldn't call them Nazis.

Their behaviour is much closer to that of the Moonies, if you read Steve Hassan's book, Cult Mind Control.

[penelope]

Good catch, Penelope. I'd high five you if I could.
There are allegations that Lee's other text, the Chun Bu Kyung (the one he claims to be a super-ancient Korean spiritual text) was co authored by himself, and a number of his first followers. Still digging for more info on that end.

To find information on google, remember that there are often variations in spelling. A post here http://www.yoga.com/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=28036&posts=1 gives all these spellings:

Chun Bu Kyung
Cheon Bu Kyeong
Cheon Bu Keong
Chon Bu Kyong
Cheon Bu Kyung
Chun Boo Kyung

I found this one too: CHEONBUGYEONG. That one leads you to this article: http://eng.korean.net/wcms/list.jsp?bID=4245&pageID=04025273&byid=2

No, Ilchi Lee didn't author it; he's not inventing ideas as much as repackaging, (and trademarking) them, including Korean mythology. A lot of people have come up with an interpretation, and Ilchi Lee is one of them.

The Chun Bu Kyung goes back at least to the 9th or 10th century when a scholar (Choi, Chi-Won) published it in Chinese characters. Some people, like Ilchi Lee, claim it was written thousands of years ago because they see it as part of the Dangun myth. This site calls it the Taekwondo bible: http://www.taekwondobible.com/korculture/spirit/samjae.html

It was supposedly written in an ancient Korean language that predated Chinese (another nationalistic revisionist claim?) Dahn, and other people, refer to it as the first history "book" but also as "scripture" and "bible" - the Heavenly Code. It's just one page. I think the main idea is pretty simple, that Heaven is first, Earth second, and Man third, and that they are all one. Dahn and other Korean nationalists argue that this philosophy is Korean in origin because it came from Dangun.

The DahnYogaKoreaClub website gives some insight Dahn and what they're thinking. http://dahnyogakoreaclub.com/Heavenly%20Code.htm They say that all the other religions in Korea are "foreign" in origin. The Korean religion Taejonggyo believes a lot of the same kinds of things that Dahn talks about.

I thought this was interesting. This shows where the Dahn masters believe they're going with all this: http://www.byukwoon.com/ It's written by a disciple of Ilchi Lee, Byukwoon Sunsa. He is the head of the Dahn Yoga and Health Center (in charge of all Dahn Centers) and a higher-up in some of Ilchi Lee's companies. (His real name is Seung Bae Chun - I saw this name on the 2002 lawsuit when he and Ilchi Lee were sued for the same kind of things as the new lawsuit by 24 former masters.) Basically the masters believe that they'll become the managers of a "new world order" that will happen once they get 360,000 Dahn Centers (like McDonalds changed the food industry, they say - but are we really better off with that?!).

How would you like to have Ilchi Lee and his "masters" running a new world world? (Like that would ever happen anyway.) Scary, huh?

[Humanzee]

To find information on google, remember that there are often variations in spelling. A post here http://www.yoga.com/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=28036&posts=1 gives all these spellings:

Chun Bu Kyung
Cheon Bu Kyeong
Cheon Bu Keong
Chon Bu Kyong
Cheon Bu Kyung
Chun Boo Kyung

I found this one too: CHEONBUGYEONG. That one leads you to this article: http://eng.korean.net/wcms/list.jsp?bID=4245&pageID=04025273&byid=2

No, Ilchi Lee didn't author it; he's not inventing ideas as much as repackaging, (and trademarking) them, including Korean mythology. A lot of people have come up with an interpretation, and Ilchi Lee is one of them.

The Chun Bu Kyung goes back at least to the 9th or 10th century when a scholar (Choi, Chi-Won) published it in Chinese characters. Some people, like Ilchi Lee, claim it was written thousands of years ago because they see it as part of the Dangun myth. This site calls it the Taekwondo bible: http://www.taekwondobible.com/korculture/spirit/samjae.html

It was supposedly written in an ancient Korean language that predated Chinese (another nationalistic revisionist claim?) Dahn, and other people, refer to it as the first history "book" but also as "scripture" and "bible" - the Heavenly Code. It's just one page. I think the main idea is pretty simple, that Heaven is first, Earth second, and Man third, and that they are all one. Dahn and other Korean nationalists argue that this philosophy is Korean in origin because it came from Dangun.

The DahnYogaKoreaClub website gives some insight Dahn and what they're thinking. http://dahnyogakoreaclub.com/Heavenly%20Code.htm They say that all the other religions in Korea are "foreign" in origin. The Korean religion Taejonggyo believes a lot of the same kinds of things that Dahn talks about.

I thought this was interesting. This shows where the Dahn masters believe they're going with all this: http://www.byukwoon.com/ It's written by a disciple of Ilchi Lee, Byukwoon Sunsa. He is the head of the Dahn Yoga and Health Center (in charge of all Dahn Centers) and a higher-up in some of Ilchi Lee's companies. (His real name is Seung Bae Chun - I saw this name on the 2002 lawsuit when he and Ilchi Lee were sued for the same kind of things as the new lawsuit by 24 former masters.) Basically the masters believe that they'll become the managers of a "new world order" that will happen once they get 360,000 Dahn Centers (like McDonalds changed the food industry, they say - but are we really better off with that?!).

How would you like to have Ilchi Lee and his "masters" running a new world world? (Like that would ever happen anyway.) Scary, huh?

Wow Penelope, yet another good catch... I feel like a total slacker now :5bomb:

In Lee's book, Dahn Ki Gong (I believe, will have to look it up to be sure) Lee tried to claim that all Qi Gong originated in Korea. Something similar was written on one of his site's blogs.

I always find it interesting how some people try to re-write obvious points in history and pass it off as fact. There will always be someone to eat it up.


Basically the masters believe that they'll become the managers of a "new world order" that will happen once they get 360,000 Dahn Centers (like McDonalds changed the food industry, they say - but are we really better off with that?!).

How would you like to have Ilchi Lee and his "masters" running a new world world? (Like that would ever happen anyway.) Scary, huh?

Actually, it would be nice if they ran the world's McDonalds' (plural) :)

[penelope]

Basically the masters believe that they'll become the managers of a "new world order" ...

Sorry, it said "new world," not "new world order."