HAPKO3
11-23-2004, 07:14 PM
Falun Gong is a bullshit cult.
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serious harm
11-23-2004, 07:17 PM
No it's not, it is the Great Law or universal Law teachings. It is not the only time in history it has happened and the teachings can be confirmed.
HAPKO3
11-23-2004, 07:19 PM
It's a bullshit cult.
serious harm
11-23-2004, 07:24 PM
It is not even a group, the only way it is a group is in that practitioners have in common that they cultivate their inner universal being and heart through Falun, the same inner being in all mankind and all beings, so since it is a universal system it cannot be anymore a cult than the human race could be.
Thaiboxerken
11-23-2004, 07:27 PM
No it's not, it is the Great Law or universal Law teachings. It is not the only time in history it has happened and the teachings can be confirmed.
That's what alot of cults claim.
That's what alot of cults claim.
HAPKO3
11-23-2004, 07:33 PM
It is not even a group, the only way it is a group is in that practitioners have in common that they cultivate their inner universal being and heart through Falun, the same inner being in all mankind and all beings, so since it is a universal system it cannot be anymore a cult than the human race could be.Translation from Stupid to English: It's a bullshit cult.
serious harm
11-24-2004, 01:13 AM
Falun gong is not a cult. A cult will claim that a diety , or the leader, or religious teachings are the supreme power. Falun gong is just not like that, it is not a cult, it is not created or convoluted or stolen, it is not religious and not connected to religious teachings at all. It cultivates the Great Law, the universal quality of truth, compassion, forbearance
Great wall of courage-
http://www.clearwisdom.net/emh/articles/2004/11/23/54873.html
Great wall of courage-
http://www.clearwisdom.net/emh/articles/2004/11/23/54873.html
serious harm
11-24-2004, 01:18 AM
The 3 Laws of the absolute
1. Life, mind ,truth, love, spirit is all in all.
2. The same Law governs always, everything, everywhere, from smallest to biggest
3. Everything is vibration
In the Absolute, those three laws are One law, called the GREAT LAW. To our present state of concioussness that One Great Universal Law manifests itself as a triune ray; we perceive it in it's threefold aspect, out concioussness acting as a prism; therefore, as we are studying these laws now, we must consider them as they appear to us in the present.
LIFE, MIND, TRUTH, LOVE, SPIRIT, IS ALL IN ALL. These Five which were explained in the first lesson are the Alpha and OMega, the begginning and end of everything; they are a Law by themselves, the law of life, of mind, of truth, of Love which is the Law of Spirit. They include everything, and is why Jesus , who knew these laws, said, " Love thy God( The Great Priciple) with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength, and love thy neighbor as thyself," and when he was asked further, " what about the other commandments?" he answered " All the laws and all the prophets are in those two commandments." The great principle, the Absolute, is all Life, all mind, all truth, all love, all spirit; all there is, is in the Great All, and if we apply that Law, the Law of life, of mind, of truth and of love, to all problems of our daily life, we work out, without noticing it, all the perfection we can ever aspire to, we build up the Pyramid of our own life and reach the Point of Spirit, and we do not notice how it happens, because it is the Great Principle Itself Who is working to that end through us. It is Its work as much as ours. All we have to do is to be concious, open channels for that.
THE SAME LAW GOVERNS ALWAYS EVERYTHING, EVERYWHERE. The wonderful symplicity of that one Universal Law is that there is but ONE LAW which underlies all other laws, operates on all planes, and expresses itself through everything, always in the same way. The formation of the electron, of the atom, of the body, of our planet, of this world, of the Universe, are all based ON THAT ONE LAW. Everywhere is seen the operation of that Law, which is also called the Law of ANalogy, " AS IT IS IN THE HIGHEST PLANE SO IT IS ON THE LOWEST." That is, that one pattern is expressed through millions of aspects and yet is always One. For instance, let us take the sphere. Vapors are made up of tiny speres of water. A dewdrop is a sphere, and so are the particles of mercury or the little red and white corpuscules in our blood. A soap bubble is a sphere, our Earth also, and all other planets, the sun, the stars, and the worlds. Why? Because the Great Law says that everything which wants to persevere in exsistence must take the form of a shere, which is a body in which all parts are in perfect relation to one another and also to it's center, and which therefore is so perfectly balanced that it can offer the maximum resistance to all kinds of outside disintegrating influences. Anothe example: All vibrations emanate from a given point in all directions in waves, forming continually increasing sheres. A stone thrown in the water starts spherical vibratory waves, which, where they touch the surface of the water, appear as circles, enlarging until they reach the shore of that body of water. It is the same with all other vibrations, sound, light, Hertzian waves, magnetic waves, also thoughts and Spiritual vibrations, all this again because of the Great Law, which decrees that all vibrations must normally proceed in waves, forming continually increasing spheres which are kept in that condition by the law of Attraction perpetually operating through those vibrations. That Law is is so infinite, so universal, that in our present mental development we can only begin to perceive its numberless manifestations. That Law is often also called the Great Law. The knowledge of that Law enables one to calculate with mathematical precision even things the nature of which is as yet unknown to us. Geometry, mathematics, all exact sciences , have the Great Law as foundation of their individual lawsa. For instance, three times three makes nine, and three million times three million makes also nine plus as many zeroes in the two numbers. Why is it so? Because of the Great Law expressing itself through mathematic laws. Those who study zoology also discover very soon the various manifistations of the Great Law. There are so called wild animals, lions, tigers, panthers and so forth, Their coats are of certain colors, arranged in certain designs, which are expressing their qualities. The same characteristics are found among birds of prey, eagles, hawks, owls, etc. as these occupy amongst birds the corresponding place to that occupied by wild animals among the beasts. It is the same among fishes, insects, mushrooms, trees, plants and minerals. The same distinguishing color schemes, the same combinations, throughout the whole round of Nature. Take the rainbow, that, that wonderful bridge, shining with the six colors of the spectrum and connecting Heaven with Earth. It's irredescence, produced by the reflection of light, is found on the soap bubble, on oil coated water, in the diamond, also in the opal, that stone both precious and mysterious; it is displayed on the wings of certain butterflies, on different insects, on birds, and even in the hair os a human being, where there is a certain iridescence. Why? Again because of the Great Law. Throughout the whole cycle of creation are everywhere seen these wonderful expressions of the Great Law. Infinite are the aspects through which it continually manifests itself. There is the glorius sunset, wonderful colors in the sky. But the suns rays have no color, they are white; the clouds have no color, they are also white; the air has no color, it is transparent; yet taken together in a certain combination, they all make a wonderful sunset. It is the relationship of the different lights to one another, shades and lights, white rays broken up in different rays, interpeneting and combining one with another colorless elelments, yet producing the most wonderful colors. All this is the result of that one Great Law.
ALL IS VIBRATION. This is the third and last of these Absolute, Immutable Laws. Is it possible that Vibrations will be eternal? They will be, as they always have been. Even Spirit itself communicates through vibrations. Maybe some day they will be called by another name, but it is not the name which is so important, it is the nature of the thing itself. THE WHOLE UNIVERSE IS BUT VIBRATION. When we speak the sound is conveyed through vibrations; through vibrations do we also see, smell, taste and touch. Everything is done through vibration. Sound is vibration, light is vibration, so are the emanations of radium, wireless telegraphy, telephony, all use vibrations as agents. Thoughts are also vibrations; so is Lye, everything is vibrating; vibrations are penetrating all planes, and therefore even in the absolute everything is vibration. There are different rates of vibrations, infinite varieties of them , some so high, so subtle, that of them we cannot have any concept just now. ALL IS ETERNAL VIBRATION BECAUSE VIBRATION IS LIFE ITSELF, AND LIFE IS ONE OF THE FUNDAMENTAL ASPECTS OF THE ABSOLUTE, THE GREAT PRINCIPLE. The operation of this law is explained in detail in the second, fourth, sixth, and seventh lessons
THE FOUR LAWS OF THE RELATIVE
1. THE LAW OF POLARITY
2. THE LAW OF RYTHM
3. THE LAW OF GENDER
4. THE LAW OF CAUSE AND EFFECT
THE LAW OF POLARITY: EVERYTHING IN THIS WORLD IN THE PRESENT STATE OF HUMAN CONCIOUSNESS APPEARS TO HAVE TWO POLES< THE POSITIVE AND THE NEGATIVE POLES- GOOD AND EVIL, HEAVEN AND HELL, LIFE AND DEATH, LIGHT AND DARKNESS, DAY AND NIGHT, WHITE AND BLACK, NORTH AND SOUTH, PEACE AND WAR, YES AND NO, POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE ETC.
Everywhere, no matter where we turn, there is that law of Polarity or Duality. It is the law of pairs of Opposites. Any opposites, even men and women, come under that law. It is a very important law, which we think we cannot master, to which we must submit, as it has taken possession not only of the physical body but also of the mental plane. In the most ancient religions, the Law of Duality or Polarity is manifested, prevalent. THere are the Days and Nights of Brahma , the Ansolute,--- Manavantaras and Pralayas, periods of activities and periods of rest, periods of manifestation and periods of non manifestation, periods of being and periods of non-being. It is beleived to be an immutable law, a law of absolute, but that is not correct. In one of the sacred books of the Hindus, in the Bagavid-Gita, Krishna, the One Who knew, when speaking about the absolute, about Divinity, said that GOD IS ABOVE THE PAIRS OF OPPOSITES, that means, ABOVE THE LAW OF DUALITY OR POLARITY. Yet religious, phlosophical and sometimes scientific teachings are based on the Law of Duality. As long as the law of Duality, or Polarity, will be accepted as an immutable law, it will keep the world enslaved. Peace and Harmony will remain but a beutiful dream, because that law means a continual warfare between the two principles, the positive and the negative- and there is the question, which one of them will win? One will for a time, and under those conditions, Harmony can never be attained. WHen opposites are coming together they emphasize each other's opposition. It is only like which attracts like, and thus become one whole, but there is no possible unity between two opposites.
It is one of the most subtle and powerful laws on earth, that law of Polarity, but it is not an eternal law, despite the assertions of some of the oldest religions and greates philosophies. Humanity is hypnotized by it, and as long as human beings will submit tto that law, it will operate and they will always be swinging between life and death, good and evil, peace and war, and so forth. If we analyze that law from the point of view of Science, we find it is not a true law. We say there is light and there is darkness, yet that iis not a correct statement. THER IS ONLY LIGHT. Darkness is but a suppositional absence of light. There is no such thing as real darkness, because light vibrations penetrate everywhere. We think that light is only what we see. Yet we percieve only the range of rays from red to violet- that is, the six colors of the Spectrum. There are alos rays below read and beyond violet which we do not see, and those invisible rays are the most powerful. Light visible and invisible is everywhere, therefore there cannot be, THERE IS NO DARKNESS. THere are only degrees and different kinds of light. ALL, IS LIGHT. Even that seemingly utter darkness and void of inter-stelier space is penetrated by vibrations, invisible to the human eye, of the Absolute Light, which is Attraction of Love. The same with good and evil. There is no absolutel evil. There are only conditions of relativity, of good. There is the ultimate good, and there is the very first starting point of good, and naturally there is all the scale to develop from that point to the infinite. It is obvious that if a point and the infinite are placed together, the contrast is so great that they appear to be opposites. Yet such a comparison is not right, as there is all the infinite number of links between them, each successive link being part of that endless chain or cirle which has no beginning nor end. This scientific fact cannot be ignored. GOOG, taken from the scientific point of view, IS EVERYWHERE, OMNIPRESENT. There are degrees of good, that is all, but no evil. Evil is but a suppositional absence of good, therefore non-existing, as good is all-pervading. The same is found to be true with every other pair of opposites which one begins to analyze. Soon the fact is discovered that it is only the positive which has a real existence. The Earth has two poles. One is called North and the other the South pole. The South pole is a high mountain , the North pole is a cavity; but we call them North and South poles because we imagine that there is a top and there is a bottom. If we change our postition, then really the North pole would be below and the South pole above. One must try to visualise those things also from the oint of view of the Absolute and not only from that of the relative. Scientifically speaking, there is no East or West, as a definite location, it is but a direction, pointed out by the magnetic needle, relative to the oint at which one will be taking it. When we are in China, the East will be in America, but when we are in Europe, America bcomes west to us and China would then be east. These are only human concepts, created by us to distinguish the Unlimited with our limited perception; to find, to direct ourselves in the Infinite, which has no direction. There is Yes and No. How few people know that as soon as we make a positive statement and say, "Yes, I am going to do that," immediately from somewhere out of the unknown arises the silent opposition " No". And it works so strongly against us, that we usually then have all kinds of difficulties in performing that which we intened to do. Why does it happen? BEcause of the law of polarity. The law of polarity continually interferes with all our human affairs. That iw why we are all the time swinging between good and evil. There is another law still worse which usually works together with the law of Polarity, and that is the so called Rythm."
THose are quotes from "The Science of Being" by Eugene Ferson written in 1920. There is more about the Law of Polarity, but too much too copy out. How to do affirmations properly, why not to make absolute statement without, "God's will be done", and why when someone is supposed to keep a secret is is sometimes very difficult, and they want to tell.
1. Life, mind ,truth, love, spirit is all in all.
2. The same Law governs always, everything, everywhere, from smallest to biggest
3. Everything is vibration
In the Absolute, those three laws are One law, called the GREAT LAW. To our present state of concioussness that One Great Universal Law manifests itself as a triune ray; we perceive it in it's threefold aspect, out concioussness acting as a prism; therefore, as we are studying these laws now, we must consider them as they appear to us in the present.
LIFE, MIND, TRUTH, LOVE, SPIRIT, IS ALL IN ALL. These Five which were explained in the first lesson are the Alpha and OMega, the begginning and end of everything; they are a Law by themselves, the law of life, of mind, of truth, of Love which is the Law of Spirit. They include everything, and is why Jesus , who knew these laws, said, " Love thy God( The Great Priciple) with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength, and love thy neighbor as thyself," and when he was asked further, " what about the other commandments?" he answered " All the laws and all the prophets are in those two commandments." The great principle, the Absolute, is all Life, all mind, all truth, all love, all spirit; all there is, is in the Great All, and if we apply that Law, the Law of life, of mind, of truth and of love, to all problems of our daily life, we work out, without noticing it, all the perfection we can ever aspire to, we build up the Pyramid of our own life and reach the Point of Spirit, and we do not notice how it happens, because it is the Great Principle Itself Who is working to that end through us. It is Its work as much as ours. All we have to do is to be concious, open channels for that.
THE SAME LAW GOVERNS ALWAYS EVERYTHING, EVERYWHERE. The wonderful symplicity of that one Universal Law is that there is but ONE LAW which underlies all other laws, operates on all planes, and expresses itself through everything, always in the same way. The formation of the electron, of the atom, of the body, of our planet, of this world, of the Universe, are all based ON THAT ONE LAW. Everywhere is seen the operation of that Law, which is also called the Law of ANalogy, " AS IT IS IN THE HIGHEST PLANE SO IT IS ON THE LOWEST." That is, that one pattern is expressed through millions of aspects and yet is always One. For instance, let us take the sphere. Vapors are made up of tiny speres of water. A dewdrop is a sphere, and so are the particles of mercury or the little red and white corpuscules in our blood. A soap bubble is a sphere, our Earth also, and all other planets, the sun, the stars, and the worlds. Why? Because the Great Law says that everything which wants to persevere in exsistence must take the form of a shere, which is a body in which all parts are in perfect relation to one another and also to it's center, and which therefore is so perfectly balanced that it can offer the maximum resistance to all kinds of outside disintegrating influences. Anothe example: All vibrations emanate from a given point in all directions in waves, forming continually increasing sheres. A stone thrown in the water starts spherical vibratory waves, which, where they touch the surface of the water, appear as circles, enlarging until they reach the shore of that body of water. It is the same with all other vibrations, sound, light, Hertzian waves, magnetic waves, also thoughts and Spiritual vibrations, all this again because of the Great Law, which decrees that all vibrations must normally proceed in waves, forming continually increasing spheres which are kept in that condition by the law of Attraction perpetually operating through those vibrations. That Law is is so infinite, so universal, that in our present mental development we can only begin to perceive its numberless manifestations. That Law is often also called the Great Law. The knowledge of that Law enables one to calculate with mathematical precision even things the nature of which is as yet unknown to us. Geometry, mathematics, all exact sciences , have the Great Law as foundation of their individual lawsa. For instance, three times three makes nine, and three million times three million makes also nine plus as many zeroes in the two numbers. Why is it so? Because of the Great Law expressing itself through mathematic laws. Those who study zoology also discover very soon the various manifistations of the Great Law. There are so called wild animals, lions, tigers, panthers and so forth, Their coats are of certain colors, arranged in certain designs, which are expressing their qualities. The same characteristics are found among birds of prey, eagles, hawks, owls, etc. as these occupy amongst birds the corresponding place to that occupied by wild animals among the beasts. It is the same among fishes, insects, mushrooms, trees, plants and minerals. The same distinguishing color schemes, the same combinations, throughout the whole round of Nature. Take the rainbow, that, that wonderful bridge, shining with the six colors of the spectrum and connecting Heaven with Earth. It's irredescence, produced by the reflection of light, is found on the soap bubble, on oil coated water, in the diamond, also in the opal, that stone both precious and mysterious; it is displayed on the wings of certain butterflies, on different insects, on birds, and even in the hair os a human being, where there is a certain iridescence. Why? Again because of the Great Law. Throughout the whole cycle of creation are everywhere seen these wonderful expressions of the Great Law. Infinite are the aspects through which it continually manifests itself. There is the glorius sunset, wonderful colors in the sky. But the suns rays have no color, they are white; the clouds have no color, they are also white; the air has no color, it is transparent; yet taken together in a certain combination, they all make a wonderful sunset. It is the relationship of the different lights to one another, shades and lights, white rays broken up in different rays, interpeneting and combining one with another colorless elelments, yet producing the most wonderful colors. All this is the result of that one Great Law.
ALL IS VIBRATION. This is the third and last of these Absolute, Immutable Laws. Is it possible that Vibrations will be eternal? They will be, as they always have been. Even Spirit itself communicates through vibrations. Maybe some day they will be called by another name, but it is not the name which is so important, it is the nature of the thing itself. THE WHOLE UNIVERSE IS BUT VIBRATION. When we speak the sound is conveyed through vibrations; through vibrations do we also see, smell, taste and touch. Everything is done through vibration. Sound is vibration, light is vibration, so are the emanations of radium, wireless telegraphy, telephony, all use vibrations as agents. Thoughts are also vibrations; so is Lye, everything is vibrating; vibrations are penetrating all planes, and therefore even in the absolute everything is vibration. There are different rates of vibrations, infinite varieties of them , some so high, so subtle, that of them we cannot have any concept just now. ALL IS ETERNAL VIBRATION BECAUSE VIBRATION IS LIFE ITSELF, AND LIFE IS ONE OF THE FUNDAMENTAL ASPECTS OF THE ABSOLUTE, THE GREAT PRINCIPLE. The operation of this law is explained in detail in the second, fourth, sixth, and seventh lessons
THE FOUR LAWS OF THE RELATIVE
1. THE LAW OF POLARITY
2. THE LAW OF RYTHM
3. THE LAW OF GENDER
4. THE LAW OF CAUSE AND EFFECT
THE LAW OF POLARITY: EVERYTHING IN THIS WORLD IN THE PRESENT STATE OF HUMAN CONCIOUSNESS APPEARS TO HAVE TWO POLES< THE POSITIVE AND THE NEGATIVE POLES- GOOD AND EVIL, HEAVEN AND HELL, LIFE AND DEATH, LIGHT AND DARKNESS, DAY AND NIGHT, WHITE AND BLACK, NORTH AND SOUTH, PEACE AND WAR, YES AND NO, POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE ETC.
Everywhere, no matter where we turn, there is that law of Polarity or Duality. It is the law of pairs of Opposites. Any opposites, even men and women, come under that law. It is a very important law, which we think we cannot master, to which we must submit, as it has taken possession not only of the physical body but also of the mental plane. In the most ancient religions, the Law of Duality or Polarity is manifested, prevalent. THere are the Days and Nights of Brahma , the Ansolute,--- Manavantaras and Pralayas, periods of activities and periods of rest, periods of manifestation and periods of non manifestation, periods of being and periods of non-being. It is beleived to be an immutable law, a law of absolute, but that is not correct. In one of the sacred books of the Hindus, in the Bagavid-Gita, Krishna, the One Who knew, when speaking about the absolute, about Divinity, said that GOD IS ABOVE THE PAIRS OF OPPOSITES, that means, ABOVE THE LAW OF DUALITY OR POLARITY. Yet religious, phlosophical and sometimes scientific teachings are based on the Law of Duality. As long as the law of Duality, or Polarity, will be accepted as an immutable law, it will keep the world enslaved. Peace and Harmony will remain but a beutiful dream, because that law means a continual warfare between the two principles, the positive and the negative- and there is the question, which one of them will win? One will for a time, and under those conditions, Harmony can never be attained. WHen opposites are coming together they emphasize each other's opposition. It is only like which attracts like, and thus become one whole, but there is no possible unity between two opposites.
It is one of the most subtle and powerful laws on earth, that law of Polarity, but it is not an eternal law, despite the assertions of some of the oldest religions and greates philosophies. Humanity is hypnotized by it, and as long as human beings will submit tto that law, it will operate and they will always be swinging between life and death, good and evil, peace and war, and so forth. If we analyze that law from the point of view of Science, we find it is not a true law. We say there is light and there is darkness, yet that iis not a correct statement. THER IS ONLY LIGHT. Darkness is but a suppositional absence of light. There is no such thing as real darkness, because light vibrations penetrate everywhere. We think that light is only what we see. Yet we percieve only the range of rays from red to violet- that is, the six colors of the Spectrum. There are alos rays below read and beyond violet which we do not see, and those invisible rays are the most powerful. Light visible and invisible is everywhere, therefore there cannot be, THERE IS NO DARKNESS. THere are only degrees and different kinds of light. ALL, IS LIGHT. Even that seemingly utter darkness and void of inter-stelier space is penetrated by vibrations, invisible to the human eye, of the Absolute Light, which is Attraction of Love. The same with good and evil. There is no absolutel evil. There are only conditions of relativity, of good. There is the ultimate good, and there is the very first starting point of good, and naturally there is all the scale to develop from that point to the infinite. It is obvious that if a point and the infinite are placed together, the contrast is so great that they appear to be opposites. Yet such a comparison is not right, as there is all the infinite number of links between them, each successive link being part of that endless chain or cirle which has no beginning nor end. This scientific fact cannot be ignored. GOOG, taken from the scientific point of view, IS EVERYWHERE, OMNIPRESENT. There are degrees of good, that is all, but no evil. Evil is but a suppositional absence of good, therefore non-existing, as good is all-pervading. The same is found to be true with every other pair of opposites which one begins to analyze. Soon the fact is discovered that it is only the positive which has a real existence. The Earth has two poles. One is called North and the other the South pole. The South pole is a high mountain , the North pole is a cavity; but we call them North and South poles because we imagine that there is a top and there is a bottom. If we change our postition, then really the North pole would be below and the South pole above. One must try to visualise those things also from the oint of view of the Absolute and not only from that of the relative. Scientifically speaking, there is no East or West, as a definite location, it is but a direction, pointed out by the magnetic needle, relative to the oint at which one will be taking it. When we are in China, the East will be in America, but when we are in Europe, America bcomes west to us and China would then be east. These are only human concepts, created by us to distinguish the Unlimited with our limited perception; to find, to direct ourselves in the Infinite, which has no direction. There is Yes and No. How few people know that as soon as we make a positive statement and say, "Yes, I am going to do that," immediately from somewhere out of the unknown arises the silent opposition " No". And it works so strongly against us, that we usually then have all kinds of difficulties in performing that which we intened to do. Why does it happen? BEcause of the law of polarity. The law of polarity continually interferes with all our human affairs. That iw why we are all the time swinging between good and evil. There is another law still worse which usually works together with the law of Polarity, and that is the so called Rythm."
THose are quotes from "The Science of Being" by Eugene Ferson written in 1920. There is more about the Law of Polarity, but too much too copy out. How to do affirmations properly, why not to make absolute statement without, "God's will be done", and why when someone is supposed to keep a secret is is sometimes very difficult, and they want to tell.
serious harm
11-24-2004, 01:18 AM
http://media1.minghui.org/media/dafa/en_mpg/Instruction.ram
http://www.falundafa.org/intro/0-falun.htm
http://www.falundafa.org/intro/0-falun.htm
HAPKO3
11-24-2004, 01:20 AM
Falun gong is not a cult. A cult will claim that a diety , or the leader, or religious teachings are the supreme power. Falun gong is just not like that, it is not a cult, it is not created or convoluted or stolen, it is not religious and not connected to religious teachings at all. It cultivates the Great Law, the universal quality of truth, compassion, forbearance
Great wall of courage-,
http://www.clearwisdom.net/emh/articles/2004/11/23/54873.html
Ah, no.
They're a cult.
And a particularly idiotic one at that.
Now, leave.
Great wall of courage-,
http://www.clearwisdom.net/emh/articles/2004/11/23/54873.html
Ah, no.
They're a cult.
And a particularly idiotic one at that.
Now, leave.
serious harm
11-24-2004, 01:26 AM
It is about each individual's personal cultivatiion of the inner universal being, and the natural works which manifest amongst people of all types all around the world.
Following such principles in life, and exposing the persecution and torture as well as clarifying the truth about Falun Dafa is hardly a "particularly idiotic" activity.
Following such principles in life, and exposing the persecution and torture as well as clarifying the truth about Falun Dafa is hardly a "particularly idiotic" activity.
serious harm
11-24-2004, 02:46 AM
Back to Taijiquan, interview with Master Feng Zhiqiang-
http://www.chentaiji.com/articles/integrating.html
Article about Chen Taijiquan, mentions Chen Wanting
http://www.taijigongfu.com/gongfu.html
http://www.chentaiji.com/articles/integrating.html
Article about Chen Taijiquan, mentions Chen Wanting
http://www.taijigongfu.com/gongfu.html
felixmeister
11-24-2004, 04:42 AM
No. It's a cult.
serious harm
11-24-2004, 05:01 AM
There is no group, organization, list of names etc. All work to claryify the facts is by volunteers. Everything is free. THe works of Falun Dafa simply manifest naturally as a part of nature. It is no more a cult than a cult of carrots.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/07/19/earlyshow/health/main515724.shtml
http://www.foodreference.com/html/fcarrots.html
http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/LoPan.html
http://www.prs.org/gallery-kabblh.htm
http://www.lunarlogic.de/Frank/introduction.htm
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/07/19/earlyshow/health/main515724.shtml
http://www.foodreference.com/html/fcarrots.html
http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/LoPan.html
http://www.prs.org/gallery-kabblh.htm
http://www.lunarlogic.de/Frank/introduction.htm
rainfall
11-24-2004, 08:18 AM
Miguksaram,
I was in Korea briefly about 3 years ago (studying haedong kumdo), and while I was there, the instructor was also a Dahn Hak instructor, so we ended up going to their practice sessions at night time.
My Korean is very very poor, so I relied only on translators, but fortunately, there were three or four people there who spoke very good English.
Their history was told to me in two different fashions:
1. This is a 5000 year old art.
2. This art was created in 1980 something.
I pointed this contradiction out to the person who told me number 2, and he kind of brushed the question off. It seems that all styles that claim thousand year old histories are making that argument by saying "qi gong is old; thousands of years ago in Korea, I bet someone did qigong; I'm in Korea, doing qi gong, thus what I practice is thousands of years old". Patently dishonest, but oh well.
I can't remember the name of the guy anymore, but their leader wrote a book in Korean called "Healing Society" (because part of what they do is 'hand healing'). In hangul, they just transliterated the English sounds for the title of the book (which is strange!). They gave me a copy, so if you want, I can try to get more information from it. They were very proud that at some point, it made a list of top sellers at Amazon or some place like that. There was an English book, too. Brain respiration? I think ATBT mentioned it. They loaned it to us, but the other guy I was travelling with returned it to them before I got a chance to see it. It was just basic qigong, according to him.
There was NO martial anything in their practice, although it seemed to me like some of their exersizes may have come from a martial art. I think that they are using the taiji/yoga name to attract people who would be interested in their qigong, because there is really ZERO relation to taiji or yoga. Basically, we did breathing exersizes, and very light physical exersizes. Some of the exersizes later in the class were lost on me because of my poor Korean.
The people there were really nice. I think it attracts a lot of the same type of people in Korea that it might attract here. A very common thing that I heard from the few people that talked at length with us (sometimes through a translator) is that they were unhappy with their lives/low self esteem, and they feel better when they are at Dahn Hak. I am happy if it is helping them feel better, but the flip side to that it that it had a cultish feel, being perfectly honest. I always had a good time there, but I didn't take it very seriously either...
On that note, I asked my friend who was trying to teach me Korean at the time, what she knew about it. She read the book they gave me. Her comment was that Dahn Hak even in Korea seemed to have the reputation of a cult.
I was in Korea briefly about 3 years ago (studying haedong kumdo), and while I was there, the instructor was also a Dahn Hak instructor, so we ended up going to their practice sessions at night time.
My Korean is very very poor, so I relied only on translators, but fortunately, there were three or four people there who spoke very good English.
Their history was told to me in two different fashions:
1. This is a 5000 year old art.
2. This art was created in 1980 something.
I pointed this contradiction out to the person who told me number 2, and he kind of brushed the question off. It seems that all styles that claim thousand year old histories are making that argument by saying "qi gong is old; thousands of years ago in Korea, I bet someone did qigong; I'm in Korea, doing qi gong, thus what I practice is thousands of years old". Patently dishonest, but oh well.
I can't remember the name of the guy anymore, but their leader wrote a book in Korean called "Healing Society" (because part of what they do is 'hand healing'). In hangul, they just transliterated the English sounds for the title of the book (which is strange!). They gave me a copy, so if you want, I can try to get more information from it. They were very proud that at some point, it made a list of top sellers at Amazon or some place like that. There was an English book, too. Brain respiration? I think ATBT mentioned it. They loaned it to us, but the other guy I was travelling with returned it to them before I got a chance to see it. It was just basic qigong, according to him.
There was NO martial anything in their practice, although it seemed to me like some of their exersizes may have come from a martial art. I think that they are using the taiji/yoga name to attract people who would be interested in their qigong, because there is really ZERO relation to taiji or yoga. Basically, we did breathing exersizes, and very light physical exersizes. Some of the exersizes later in the class were lost on me because of my poor Korean.
The people there were really nice. I think it attracts a lot of the same type of people in Korea that it might attract here. A very common thing that I heard from the few people that talked at length with us (sometimes through a translator) is that they were unhappy with their lives/low self esteem, and they feel better when they are at Dahn Hak. I am happy if it is helping them feel better, but the flip side to that it that it had a cultish feel, being perfectly honest. I always had a good time there, but I didn't take it very seriously either...
On that note, I asked my friend who was trying to teach me Korean at the time, what she knew about it. She read the book they gave me. Her comment was that Dahn Hak even in Korea seemed to have the reputation of a cult.
miguksaram
11-24-2004, 10:02 AM
Miguksaram,
I was in Korea briefly about 3 years ago (studying haedong kumdo), and while I was there, the instructor was also a Dahn Hak instructor, so we ended up going to their practice sessions at night time.
My Korean is very very poor, so I relied only on translators, but fortunately, there were three or four people there who spoke very good English.
Their history was told to me in two different fashions:
1. This is a 5000 year old art.
2. This art was created in 1980 something.
I pointed this contradiction out to the person who told me number 2, and he kind of brushed the question off. It seems that all styles that claim thousand year old histories are making that argument by saying "qi gong is old; thousands of years ago in Korea, I bet someone did qigong; I'm in Korea, doing qi gong, thus what I practice is thousands of years old". Patently dishonest, but oh well.
I can't remember the name of the guy anymore, but their leader wrote a book in Korean called "Healing Society" (because part of what they do is 'hand healing'). In hangul, they just transliterated the English sounds for the title of the book (which is strange!). They gave me a copy, so if you want, I can try to get more information from it. They were very proud that at some point, it made a list of top sellers at Amazon or some place like that. There was an English book, too. Brain respiration? I think ATBT mentioned it. They loaned it to us, but the other guy I was travelling with returned it to them before I got a chance to see it. It was just basic qigong, according to him.
There was NO martial anything in their practice, although it seemed to me like some of their exersizes may have come from a martial art. I think that they are using the taiji/yoga name to attract people who would be interested in their qigong, because there is really ZERO relation to taiji or yoga. Basically, we did breathing exersizes, and very light physical exersizes. Some of the exersizes later in the class were lost on me because of my poor Korean.
The people there were really nice. I think it attracts a lot of the same type of people in Korea that it might attract here. A very common thing that I heard from the few people that talked at length with us (sometimes through a translator) is that they were unhappy with their lives/low self esteem, and they feel better when they are at Dahn Hak. I am happy if it is helping them feel better, but the flip side to that it that it had a cultish feel, being perfectly honest. I always had a good time there, but I didn't take it very seriously either...
On that note, I asked my friend who was trying to teach me Korean at the time, what she knew about it. She read the book they gave me. Her comment was that Dahn Hak even in Korea seemed to have the reputation of a cult.
Thanks for the insite. I know they were becoming a trend over in Korea. Mostly because I saw a couple of my wife's Korean Drama show where the characters were involved in the school. (Korean dramas are notorious for showing the latest trends). When I was at the shop, I got that feeling of cult like atmosphere. When people don't let you watch a class or you have to pay for an examination before watching the class, well it just doesn't seem right does it?
I was in Korea briefly about 3 years ago (studying haedong kumdo), and while I was there, the instructor was also a Dahn Hak instructor, so we ended up going to their practice sessions at night time.
My Korean is very very poor, so I relied only on translators, but fortunately, there were three or four people there who spoke very good English.
Their history was told to me in two different fashions:
1. This is a 5000 year old art.
2. This art was created in 1980 something.
I pointed this contradiction out to the person who told me number 2, and he kind of brushed the question off. It seems that all styles that claim thousand year old histories are making that argument by saying "qi gong is old; thousands of years ago in Korea, I bet someone did qigong; I'm in Korea, doing qi gong, thus what I practice is thousands of years old". Patently dishonest, but oh well.
I can't remember the name of the guy anymore, but their leader wrote a book in Korean called "Healing Society" (because part of what they do is 'hand healing'). In hangul, they just transliterated the English sounds for the title of the book (which is strange!). They gave me a copy, so if you want, I can try to get more information from it. They were very proud that at some point, it made a list of top sellers at Amazon or some place like that. There was an English book, too. Brain respiration? I think ATBT mentioned it. They loaned it to us, but the other guy I was travelling with returned it to them before I got a chance to see it. It was just basic qigong, according to him.
There was NO martial anything in their practice, although it seemed to me like some of their exersizes may have come from a martial art. I think that they are using the taiji/yoga name to attract people who would be interested in their qigong, because there is really ZERO relation to taiji or yoga. Basically, we did breathing exersizes, and very light physical exersizes. Some of the exersizes later in the class were lost on me because of my poor Korean.
The people there were really nice. I think it attracts a lot of the same type of people in Korea that it might attract here. A very common thing that I heard from the few people that talked at length with us (sometimes through a translator) is that they were unhappy with their lives/low self esteem, and they feel better when they are at Dahn Hak. I am happy if it is helping them feel better, but the flip side to that it that it had a cultish feel, being perfectly honest. I always had a good time there, but I didn't take it very seriously either...
On that note, I asked my friend who was trying to teach me Korean at the time, what she knew about it. She read the book they gave me. Her comment was that Dahn Hak even in Korea seemed to have the reputation of a cult.
Thanks for the insite. I know they were becoming a trend over in Korea. Mostly because I saw a couple of my wife's Korean Drama show where the characters were involved in the school. (Korean dramas are notorious for showing the latest trends). When I was at the shop, I got that feeling of cult like atmosphere. When people don't let you watch a class or you have to pay for an examination before watching the class, well it just doesn't seem right does it?
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