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shironinja
11-03-2004, 05:06 PM
Anyone involved with this organization or have info?

They do not operate in my city but they sound amusing. Basically they are a gang -- but considered a "good gang".

The story is, by now, familiar. The McDonald's night manager in a crime-ridden area of the Bronx, who, sickened and saddened by his city's deterioration, took matters into his own hands. He formed a voluntary, weapon-free patrol of thirteen to take the subways, the streets and the neighborhood back from crime. The accolades that followed and even the detractors decrying his initiative and success proved the value of the comforting symbolism of the red beret.

Less familiar is the continuing story and the extraordinary results. The spread of an idea - taking responsibility and becoming a force for good - that inspired young people to create over twenty chapters around the world and won the support of New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, former Mayor Rudolph Guiliani, businessmen Carl Icahn, Paul Carlucci, Leon Temiz and Fred Drasner, sport heroes Dave Winfield and Boomer Esaison, entertainers Regis Philbin and Phil Collins, and revered broadcaster Walter Cronkite. It helped to establish community forces with groups such as the YMCA, the National Crime Prevention Council and the United Way. Other examples are the patrolling of the Internet, the school safety programs, the neighborhood watches and clean-ups, and the cooperative ventures with educational institutions to teach their teachers in classroom management and protocol.

From the first time The Guardian Angels walked the walk in 1979, to the launching of CyberAngels, the Internet's largest cyber safety program in 1998, to today's schoolbased initiatives with leading educational and social institutions, the Guardian Angels have expanded their services as society required and their caring vision demanded. They have succeeded dramatically because of their strict adherence to the abiding belief of founder Curtis Sliwa. They empower people to help themselves, build self-esteem and confidence and arm themselves with responsibility.

That is what the Guardian Angels have done every year since 1979, with funding or without, but always with volunteers filled with commitment, conviction and compassion - a credo that has now been adopted by business and government alike.

The red beret that first symbolized the courage of the early volunteers in their basic quest for street safety at home has evolved into an icon of citizen responsibility and the badge of role models for real life. It has transcended the traditional territory of the streets. Today's Guardian Angels are in the city and the suburbs, the classroom and the boardroom. You will find them in the classroom as professional teachers or guiding youngsters after school as certified counselors, or wearing virtual berets and scrutinizing the Internet from their homes. Regardless of the time or place, each is committed to making young lives filled with possibility and promise. source: http://www.guardianangels.org/about_movement.html

One of their principles (why I bring them up) entails:

• Warrior Spirit ( wrestling, drawing the line, solo shielding )
• Technical self defense skills (hold downs, takedowns, evasion, grip breaking)
• Emergency first aid skills

source: http://www.guardianangels.org/pdf/become_angel.pdf

Am curious what they base their self defense training on.

Again ... any info would be appreciated.

Traditional Tom
11-03-2004, 05:14 PM
That's actually pretty cool

shironinja
11-03-2004, 05:25 PM
Ah-hah... found some info. Fascinating....

MARTIAL ARTS TRAINING

A true warrior is not some violent thug who abuses their skills to hurt others, but a highly disciplined and trained person with a strong moral code and a deep respect for others. A true warrior uses force only as a last resort, when defending themselves or those in need. The Guardian Angel training focuses on developing true warrior spirit in the members. Our close quarter combat and physical intervention training teaches streetwise self-defense skills that have been developed through real life conflict situations. Our techniques are easy to learn and require no previous skill, knowledge or experience and are effective for all shapes and sizes.

The technical part of our training concentrates on street style wrestling and grappling, with the addition of close range striking. Classes are made up from a mixture of techniques and drills adapted from a number of martial art systems such as: the Japanese grappling arts of aikido, jujitsu and judo, the Chinese art of wing-chun kung fu, western wrestling, Brazilian jujitsu, muay thia kickboxing, and the Filipino art of kali. There are a number of training drills that are unique to the Guardian Angels and we only teach what has worked well during real life situations on the streets.

A large part of the Guardian Angel physical training program is our scenario / role-play training. This is where we make up a variety of mock situations that may happen on the street and volunteers then deal with them. Of course they have no idea what the situation may be when they come into the training hall. Situations that are role-played are as mild as verbal abuse to as violent as a fight that comes rolling out of a bar and into the street. The volunteers get an excellent opportunity to deal with these types of situations and many more, and then have it broken down for them as to see what was done well and what needs improving on.

Safety is a top priority in Guardian Angel training and we are not impressed with overly aggressive types of behavior. Machismo and machisma are poor qualities in a true warrior. People join the Guardian Angels for many reasons and getting injured in training is not one of them. To become a Guardian Angel you do not need to be Bruce Lee or his sister nor do you need to be Rambo or Rambina. A positive attitude, a willingness to learn and a desire to help others are the qualities that we are looking for.

CIVIL LAW/CITIZEN'S ARREST TRAINING

The primary role as a Guardian Angel is crime prevention. It follows that the absence of crime, incidents and offenses is one sign that our service is being done effectively. Since crime prevention through visual deterrence is our primary objective, we strive for maximum visibility at all times. The purpose of being on a safety patrol is not to make citizen's arrests. Nevertheless, there are times when a thorough knowledge of citizen's arrest help us deal correctly with a situation on the street.

The Guardian Angels have no special powers of arrest. We operate with the same set of privileges as every citizen in America. Making a citizen's arrest and detaining someone until the police arrive is the right of all Americans as well as the right of the people of many other countries. Making a citizen's arrest within the boundaries of the laws within your state or country does not make you a vigilante; it makes you an upstanding heroic citizen. A vigilante is someone who makes the decision over guilt or innocence and administers the punishment as well. Guardian Angels are not vigilantes. The decision over guilt or innocence can only be made by a Court of Law, which also has the power to decide the penalty for any crime committed. These decisions cannot be legally made by Guardian Angels, nor a by peace officer or a police officer.

Our training in New York State is based on New York State Criminal Procedure Law section 140.30 which covers "Arrest without a Warrant; by any person when and where authorized," and New York State Criminal Procedure Law section 140.40 "Arrest without a Warrant; by person acting other than a police officer or a peace officer; procedure after arrest.

URBAN SURVIVAL SKILLS

A little known fact to the public is that the Guardian Angels put an equal amount of time into non-physical training, if not more, as they do physical training. These other components help us to develop well-rounded volunteers who can handle more situations without getting physically involved as well as learning new skills that can be utilized in their personal relationships at home, work or school.

Communication is an integral part of Guardian Angel training and volunteers have an opportunity to develop skills in mediation, negotiation, problem solving, and decision making. These are the skills that are required to become a great leader in the Guardian Angels or anywhere else and they can be taught and learned.

Imagine how many people would like to become better public speakers. Our members get excellent hands on experience and learn how to speak publicly on a topic that they have a genuine passion for. Speaking to students in all age brackets gives our members and opportunity to fine tune their techniques and develop an ability to speak to groups as small as 10 people to as large as 300 people or more. A variety of engagements keep speakers on their toes and they find themselves doing Safety Workshops, Guardian Angel History, Volunteerism, Gangs and Violence and many other topics. We are so often called upon to attend community meetings and are asked to show how the residents can make communities safer. These types of engagements are an excellent way to becoming a great public speaker and better communicator.

Operating in the front line headquarters helps volunteers learn new skills in radio communications, administration, public relations and community service projects. There is a wonderful chance to exercise writing and design abilities by preparing newsletters, flyers, safety literature, press releases, and even wanted posters.

The Alliance of Guardian Angels provides many services in our communities and will continue to train our volunteers with innovative and fun exercises. We believe that everyone should be given the opportunity to become a Guardian Angel and we will always be more than willing to train them. source: http://www.guardianangels.org/include/program_train_ma.html

Antagony
11-03-2004, 06:10 PM
Interesting. I never imagined they'd actually be up-to-date in their physical techniques.

Wounded Ronin
11-03-2004, 06:25 PM
I've heard of them.....but it sounds like a dangerous job.

IzzyDaHedgehog
11-03-2004, 06:44 PM
I've heard of them.....but it sounds like a dangerous job.

Especially with the "no weapons" policy they seem to have.

Does this remind anyone else of the movie "Boondock Saints"? I was reading this and all I could think of was "We must always fear the wicked. But there is another kind of evil that we must fear the most, and that is the indifference of good men. " from the beginning of that movie.

Don Gwinn
11-03-2004, 08:04 PM
Izzy, are you at IMSA in Aurora, IL? I spent a weekend there when I was a kid (maybe 6th grade?) Freaked me out enough that I knew I didn't want to enroll.

raven3608
11-03-2004, 08:06 PM
Boondock saints was great!!!!!

IzzyDaHedgehog
11-04-2004, 08:39 AM
Izzy, are you at IMSA in Aurora, IL? I spent a weekend there when I was a kid (maybe 6th grade?) Freaked me out enough that I knew I didn't want to enroll.

Yup. You shoulda come, it's not such a bad place.

TylerDurden
11-04-2004, 08:50 AM
You guys have never heard of Sliwa and the Guardian Angels before? You cannot be serious? John Gotti Jr tried to have Sliwa killed not too long ago. Two gunmen attacked him while he was inside a cab, and he walked away. As I recall he started the Angels with like, 10 or 12 people, patrolling the subways.

xNathanx
11-04-2004, 11:18 AM
I remembering reading about them when I was a lot younger, I didn't know they were still around though.

johnbo
11-04-2004, 03:02 PM
I remember they started a chapter in Amsterdam in the 1980s to patrol the subway. Generated a lot of publicity, but I never heard of them again until now.

Honey Badger
11-04-2004, 03:08 PM
The GA have generated alot of mixed emotions. They tried to start a chapter in Scranton in the late eighties. Nobody wanted them there. They lasted less than six months and every one of the organizers had their asses kicked at least once.

FYI - "citizen's arrest" is legal bullshido. Only proper legal authorities are allowed to detain you without consent. If a Guardian Angel or mall security officer uses martial arts to stop you from leaving an area, then that person is committing a crime.

Thaiboxerken
11-04-2004, 03:11 PM
What if they use a gun?

LLL
11-04-2004, 03:15 PM
Maybe these guys are needed in the US (I don't know), but if someone tried to do this in Finland, they'd get their ass in a court in a week...

I'm quite anti-institutional etc, but I definitely would trust the police to guard the streets more than some random ass cult/gang/wtf started by 'some dude'...

Honey Badger
11-04-2004, 03:15 PM
The "arrestor" must see you actually committing a felony to hold you. State law varies. If the "arrestor" holds you at gunpoint, then they are guilty of False Imprisonment.

State Laws vary.

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