Ronin
08-23-2004, 08:47 AM
Forget the instructor, buy a gun.
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Locu5
08-23-2004, 09:28 AM
...or get a gun instructor.
Ronin
08-23-2004, 09:30 AM
Ass wipe.
Locu5
08-23-2004, 09:33 AM
ph33r my cleavland steamer technique
fug
08-23-2004, 09:57 AM
As a Kyokushin bb I wrangled an invitation to JIKC's (large Wado org) (http://www.jikc.org/about/History.html) bb instructor's class, 6 to 9 am in Kalihi. It was anything but Mcdojo. About a dozen bbs, a couple hard core brown belts and me. We'd alternate each week 1/2 hour kata, then 2 1/2 hours sparring (or sparring exercises) then 1/2 hour sparring and 2 1/2 hour kata. I actually had one stocky Hawaiian bb (who ran maxi marathons; 50 mile!) take me down with one round house kick to the body. It took me into the air and I was lying there thinking what the hell? I'm large and no one had or has ever done that before or again. The only problem I have with Wado is that they seem to have got away from the JJ influence and mostly do standup. Hirano is real good and is also 2nd dan Judo, but doesn't teach it. When I was in high school I studied in their old warehouse dojo down town and he'd spar a lot. The harder the sparring the more he'd giggle. Some real tough bbs, it's the school that taught me that little bbs can beat the shit out of large tough looking idiots without raising a sweat. I lost my fear of 'toughs' after seeing little powerful fast bbs in action. They took no shit from students and while a school that chanted "the purpose of karate is to conquer one's self," and had signs about patience and spirit on the wall, any one who wanted to go full on was fought full on.
Now Hirano is also master of Chi/ki and into alternative medicine after a heart attack and going to trad Asian med after Western med didn't help him.
Oh, and several years ago I tried to get back into that class and they tried to sell me a contract:confused:
Now Hirano is also master of Chi/ki and into alternative medicine after a heart attack and going to trad Asian med after Western med didn't help him.
Oh, and several years ago I tried to get back into that class and they tried to sell me a contract:confused:
Matsufubu
08-23-2004, 11:23 AM
Why bother with karate? Be a real man and take judo.
Ronin
08-23-2004, 11:27 AM
Wado was, in many ways, the first "hybrid" karate style, combining jujutsu and shotokan.
My wife's cousin is a Wado instructor, I havn't had the pleaseure of watching any of his classes, but the creator of Wado ( Otsuke?), was an excellent fighter.
My wife's cousin is a Wado instructor, I havn't had the pleaseure of watching any of his classes, but the creator of Wado ( Otsuke?), was an excellent fighter.
Matsufubu
08-24-2004, 08:01 AM
Ass wipe.
The Mad Hatter
08-24-2004, 09:49 PM
Well, I certainly like Isshin-ryu, but I have to admit I am rather biased :) I tried Shotokan and Wado, but never liked them very much. I went back to Isshin-ryu training and enjoy the style much more. It is a "medium style" with both some hard and soft techniques. I think it is very well rounded.
WhiteShark
08-24-2004, 09:55 PM
Nope sorry, it sucks, Shidokan is the bestest! :p
Choke
08-24-2004, 10:26 PM
It seems like Kyokushin and its offshoots most consistently produce the best fighters but I'll give some props to Goju as I did it for 4 years.
Solid punching, non-linear footwork, soft blocks are very realistic (though it does have a less effective hard blocking system), teaches some chokes and locks too, very sparring orientated.
Though its trite, it really does differ from school to school even within the same ryu. My sensei runs his school way harder than alot of the bb's in my style, even different than his fellow students who trained under the same sensei. For example, my sensei did some amatuer kickboxing and competes in the fireman vs. policemen boxing exhibitions resulting in me having something like a "minor" in boxing while majoring in Goju. Our sister dojo is blessed with having a guest instructor who does BJJ so those students have a "minor" in BJJ. Its like that with all the schools in my paticular ryu they all are Goju but they contain some sub-routine whether it be Judo, weaponry, kata, or aikido.
Solid punching, non-linear footwork, soft blocks are very realistic (though it does have a less effective hard blocking system), teaches some chokes and locks too, very sparring orientated.
Though its trite, it really does differ from school to school even within the same ryu. My sensei runs his school way harder than alot of the bb's in my style, even different than his fellow students who trained under the same sensei. For example, my sensei did some amatuer kickboxing and competes in the fireman vs. policemen boxing exhibitions resulting in me having something like a "minor" in boxing while majoring in Goju. Our sister dojo is blessed with having a guest instructor who does BJJ so those students have a "minor" in BJJ. Its like that with all the schools in my paticular ryu they all are Goju but they contain some sub-routine whether it be Judo, weaponry, kata, or aikido.
punchingdummy
08-24-2004, 10:59 PM
Originally posted by WhiteShark
Shidokon is the BEST karate! :)
It includes grappling and kickboxing(MT) and is a descendant of Kyokushin.
...same can be said for TSK.
Shidokon is the BEST karate! :)
It includes grappling and kickboxing(MT) and is a descendant of Kyokushin.
...same can be said for TSK.
punchingdummy
08-24-2004, 11:02 PM
Originally posted by The Mad Hatter
Well, I certainly like Isshin-ryu, but I have to admit I am rather biased :) I tried Shotokan and Wado, but never liked them very much. I went back to Isshin-ryu training and enjoy the style much more. It is a "medium style" with both some hard and soft techniques. I think it is very well rounded.
I liked IshinnRyu as well and thought it was great...until I got into a fight that went to the ground and was unprepared.
Well, I certainly like Isshin-ryu, but I have to admit I am rather biased :) I tried Shotokan and Wado, but never liked them very much. I went back to Isshin-ryu training and enjoy the style much more. It is a "medium style" with both some hard and soft techniques. I think it is very well rounded.
I liked IshinnRyu as well and thought it was great...until I got into a fight that went to the ground and was unprepared.
Skeptic_Warrior
08-25-2004, 02:17 AM
Originally posted by patfromlogan
As a Kyokushin bb I wrangled an invitation to JIKC's (large Wado org) (http://www.jikc.org/about/History.html) bb instructor's class, 6 to 9 am in Kalihi. It was anything but Mcdojo. About a dozen bbs, a couple hard core brown belts and me. We'd alternate each week 1/2 hour kata, then 2 1/2 hours sparring (or sparring exercises) then 1/2 hour sparring and 2 1/2 hour kata. I actually had one stocky Hawaiian bb (who ran maxi marathons; 50 mile!) take me down with one round house kick to the body. It took me into the air and I was lying there thinking what the hell? I'm large and no one had or has ever done that before or again. The only problem I have with Wado is that they seem to have got away from the JJ influence and mostly do standup. Hirano is real good and is also 2nd dan Judo, but doesn't teach it. When I was in high school I studied in their old warehouse dojo down town and he'd spar a lot. The harder the sparring the more he'd giggle. Some real tough bbs, it's the school that taught me that little bbs can beat the shit out of large tough looking idiots without raising a sweat. I lost my fear of 'toughs' after seeing little powerful fast bbs in action. They took no shit from students and while a school that chanted "the purpose of karate is to conquer one's self," and had signs about patience and spirit on the wall, any one who wanted to go full on was fought full on.
Now Hirano is also master of Chi/ki and into alternative medicine after a heart attack and going to trad Asian med after Western med didn't help him.
Oh, and several years ago I tried to get back into that class and they tried to sell me a contract:confused:
I trained with JIKC when it was still pretty hardcore. I remember going home with black eyes, fat lips, and bruises the size of baseballs on my arm. When I started teaching for them, they where slowly becoming more commercialized. Now they are more geared towards kids and have very few adults enrolled in their classes. They have many of the trappings that mark a McDojo.:(
As a Kyokushin bb I wrangled an invitation to JIKC's (large Wado org) (http://www.jikc.org/about/History.html) bb instructor's class, 6 to 9 am in Kalihi. It was anything but Mcdojo. About a dozen bbs, a couple hard core brown belts and me. We'd alternate each week 1/2 hour kata, then 2 1/2 hours sparring (or sparring exercises) then 1/2 hour sparring and 2 1/2 hour kata. I actually had one stocky Hawaiian bb (who ran maxi marathons; 50 mile!) take me down with one round house kick to the body. It took me into the air and I was lying there thinking what the hell? I'm large and no one had or has ever done that before or again. The only problem I have with Wado is that they seem to have got away from the JJ influence and mostly do standup. Hirano is real good and is also 2nd dan Judo, but doesn't teach it. When I was in high school I studied in their old warehouse dojo down town and he'd spar a lot. The harder the sparring the more he'd giggle. Some real tough bbs, it's the school that taught me that little bbs can beat the shit out of large tough looking idiots without raising a sweat. I lost my fear of 'toughs' after seeing little powerful fast bbs in action. They took no shit from students and while a school that chanted "the purpose of karate is to conquer one's self," and had signs about patience and spirit on the wall, any one who wanted to go full on was fought full on.
Now Hirano is also master of Chi/ki and into alternative medicine after a heart attack and going to trad Asian med after Western med didn't help him.
Oh, and several years ago I tried to get back into that class and they tried to sell me a contract:confused:
I trained with JIKC when it was still pretty hardcore. I remember going home with black eyes, fat lips, and bruises the size of baseballs on my arm. When I started teaching for them, they where slowly becoming more commercialized. Now they are more geared towards kids and have very few adults enrolled in their classes. They have many of the trappings that mark a McDojo.:(
Matt Bernius
08-25-2004, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by Asia
I know pple who would through a fit hearing Shotokan and Goju being called JAPANESE karate.:D Goju at least. Shotokan, last time I check, was one of the first non Okinawan Karate systems (or am I just smoking dope).
Ronin's right, it's all about the school, not the system. That being said, I've had the pleasure to work with some outstanding Goju people (USA branch) and I like the soft (shun) aspects of that system quite a bit.
- Matt
I know pple who would through a fit hearing Shotokan and Goju being called JAPANESE karate.:D Goju at least. Shotokan, last time I check, was one of the first non Okinawan Karate systems (or am I just smoking dope).
Ronin's right, it's all about the school, not the system. That being said, I've had the pleasure to work with some outstanding Goju people (USA branch) and I like the soft (shun) aspects of that system quite a bit.
- Matt
Ronin
08-25-2004, 11:27 AM
Shotokan was the FIRST school of "japanese karate"
The others are Wado, shito and JAPANESE Goju.
There is quite a difference between Okinanwan Goju and Japanese Goju.
The others are Wado, shito and JAPANESE Goju.
There is quite a difference between Okinanwan Goju and Japanese Goju.
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