Vandenberg's Iron Circle (Questionable New Book)

[M.C. Busman]

The book is "The Iron Circle: The True Life Story of Dominiquie Vandenberg", transcribed & edited by Rick Rever. Like other martial arts storybooks billed as non-fiction (Dux's "The Secret Man", Bannon's "Race Against Evil"), this one is heavy in talk about secret training camps, "death matches", fights, mercenaries, illicit dealings, spywork and the like. Very light on full names and facts that can be checked, although Vandenberg claims to have been a member of the French Foreign Legion (french speaking volunteers? Anyone?). To have a look, see:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...=glance&s=books

I have many other problems with this book and its author's claims, but I'm going to start small here. Vandenberg relates that he ran away to Okinawa as a 16 year old to live and study at a "secret" training camp for a "new" Japanese martial art called Kunto (this means "fist-way" according to Vandenberg) under the direction of a teacher called Nikoi Takimuro. Now, this ought to sound familiar to those of you who have been following the Dux threads over the years:

"When I learned that Kunto was also a competitive martial art and that every four years the Nikoi Takimuro Kunto Federation sponsored an international competition, I decided then and there that no matter what it took I was going to enter that competition and win." (2004:28).[emphasis mine]

Remember Frank Dux's claims that his secret "kumite" was held every 5 yrs? Sheesh.

According to Vandenberg, Nikoi Takimuro "only accepts the best", and is a "legend", and has this "Kunto" training camp based in...Okinawa. So, you've all heard of him? Has anyone heard of Nikoi Takamura, a Japanese m.a. called "Kunto", or any kind of full contact training camp on Okinawa? Since "Kuntao" is supposedly an MMA type of art w/ grappling, anyone know of any MMA fighters who have studied it?

On the cover of the book, Vandenberg shows a tattoo which includes the kanji for "Kyokushinkai", the date 1986 at the base, and above it, "Okinawa". The kanji aren't particularly well done, with the "Shin" in kyoku-shin-kai being overly long, and the first kanji, "Kyoku" being rather small and spindly. Asthetic criticisms, yes...but why have "Kyokushinkai" and "Okinawa" in the same tattoo?! Kyokushinkai is not Okinawan! Why not a tattoo saying "Kun-to".

I thought Kunto (kun-tao) was an art from the Philippines. In Japanese, I don't think it makes sense in the m.a. context. This book really has my B.S.-detector sounding off. Comments, help, criticism?


Good Training,

M.C. Busman

[Samuel Browning]

Uh, oh, I sense another book purchase coming up, does dim wit say anything that can be factually confirmed?

[DuckofDeath]

Opening line of Amazon.com Editorial Review:

"Vandenberg coordinates fight scenes for major movies..."

Just like Frank Dux!

[M.C. Busman]

Samuel & all, naturally nothing that can be traced or confirmed. Well, on page 76 he does claim to have been drafted into the Belgian army. But someone told me that the French Foreign Legion won't confirm or deny names of the men who served. I don't know if this is true for men who have left the FFL, I will have to write a letter & wait.

Chris & all, I don't understand the Hollywood set myself. Due Dilligence seems to be nothing but a joke out there.

Francisco & all, Yeah, this all seemed to start w/ Frank Dux's garbage. It's a shame that people are still dignifying this stuff by giving coverage. I have no doubt that the M.A. section of "Iron Circle" is a pile of dung.

But unlike the bogus story of going to the Japanese "Kunto" school in Okinawa w/ master Nikoi Takimuro (Dom's own nickname amongst family is "Nicky", go figure) at age 16 1/2 and graduating after 6 months first out of 17 other men with a 4th dan, I can't rely on sources I already have. I need to do a little more research on the military claims.

There is an excellent book out on joining the FFL & what to expect.

http://www.foreignlegionlife.com/

Just reading the previews offers enough information to fake one's resumee. I will say that Dom's a contradiction, talking honor one minute, then telling his dad he's already joined the FFL when he's informed his mother is @ home dying of leukemia (after lying to papa, he then joins the FFL--see pg.125-126). One minute he whines about the Military being sh-tty, the next he shares his romantic visions. According to him, the most popular form of discipline in the FFL is punching men in the face by higher ranks. Broken noses are popular, according to Vandeberg.

He's nice enough to add tidbits about his adventures w/...prostitutes (although he doesn't call them prostitutes, and admits hating paying for sex, which he says degrades him AND THE WORKING GAL!), which aren't overly long, but briefly graphic. Why he adds his sex tales in eludes me, then again both Dux and Bannon needed to validate their sexuality in print too. According to Dom Vandenberg, after training for a litte over 2 weeks, he engaged in a gruelling bout against a professional Burmese boxer in Thailand (no amateur training fights to prepare?). He K.O'd the feller ('course!) in round 4 of a 15-round fight (pg180). Although he took a terrific beating, had plenty of energy to take 2 Thai prostitutes to bed that night and to paraphrase him, satisfy himself several times (181).

Military buffs, take a look at the picture here:

http://figaropictures.com/public_html/people_vandenberg.htm

and see if you can recognize the tattoo on his Left bicep. Anyone, anyone....

Francisco, if you want a real funny one, at one point Vandenberg attends a demo @ Bercy sports palace in Paris(remember Dux's in the '90's, when he broke the plexiglass & candy-glass?) and meets none other tha Jean-Claude Van Damme who gives him the number to his hotel room (no guys, not for that!). He called him the next morning when the star was still sleepy, but doesn't let on then what the conversation was about... (182-183)


All the Best,

M.C. Busman

[Samuel Browning]

M.C. here is the name and number of a press officer at the French Embassy in Washington D.C.

Amaury Laporte, (202-944-6061)

He was quite helpful with the Bannon project, he speaks excellent English.

[DuckofDeath]

Originally posted by M.C. Busman

Francisco, if you want a real funny one, at one point Vandenberg attends a demo @ Bercy sports palace in Paris(remember Dux's in the '90's, when he broke the plexiglass & candy-glass?) and meets none other tha Jean-Claude Van Damme who gives him the number to his hotel room (no guys, not for that!). He called him the next morning when the star was still sleepy, but doesn't let on then what the conversation was about... (182-183)



Nothing like paying homage to the Lord of the Fakes. Apparently Vandenberg and Bannon have both read The Secret Man.

[Don Gwinn]

I could be crazy, but there was a puff piece on him in Black Belt a long time before Gangs of New York came out. You might remember that issue, the cover blared "Leonardo DiCaprio Learns to Fight!" or something like that. Nothing about DiCaprio in it, really, but Vandenberg was featured. He apparently did work on the film, but how much he "coordinated" or choreographed the fighting is questionable. He supposedly trained DiCaprio for his fights.

Anyway, the part where I might be crazy is that I don't recall that story saying anything about going to Okinawa in his teens or fighting in secret "Kunto" tournaments--nor any mention of Kunto at all. He talked about learning karate/kickboxing in Belgium, getting into a car accident that was supposed to end his martial-arts career, joining the Legion, fighting in Africa, leaving the Legion and finding himself in Burma and Thailand. He did talk about "underground" matches in SE Asia but I got the impression of the kind of stuff that seems to go on at a lot of bars in the U.S., only with better-trained fighters. More danger from the shady people betting on the match than from any gladiatorial finishing moves.

[Brooklyn Monk]

I am reading Circle of Iron now, and have been able to find kunto (at least not as a japanese martial art) i am also looking for this intensive training program in okinawa, but can't find it.

I trained at shaolin temple, but i am a professional fighter (i mean, i fight pro, but i make my living by writing. I am Antonio Graceffo, the author of the book, The Monk from Brooklyn)

I am looking for a full time deadly difficult fighting program in asia. if you know of one, please tell me.

I have trained at shaolin, but didnt like it, becuase of teh lack of fighting. i have been training and fighting in Phnom Penh for about a year and a half. but this isnt what i wnat either. for lack of a better idea, i am heading back to china in two weeks. but kung fu isnt going to make me happy.

any suggestions of where i could get REAL fighting training like in the book?

[meng_mao]

I am reading Circle of Iron now, and have been able to find kunto (at least not as a japanese martial art) i am also looking for this intensive training program in okinawa, but can't find it.

I trained at shaolin temple, but i am a professional fighter (i mean, i fight pro, but i make my living by writing. I am the author of the book, The Monk from Brooklyn)

I am looking for a full time deadly difficult fighting program in asia. if you know of one, please tell me.

I have trained at shaolin, but didnt like it, becuase of teh lack of fighting. i have been training and fighting in Phnom Penh for about a year and a half. but this isnt what i wnat either. for lack of a better idea, i am heading back to china in two weeks. but kung fu isnt going to make me happy.

any suggestions of where i could get REAL fighting training like in the book?
:5help:
http://www.martialartsplanet.com/magazine/articles/monkfrombrookpt1.htm

[dunlap]

People like this pop up in hollywood all the time. The more outlandish the resume the more it gets eaten up.

First 15 round fights are a western thing not SE asian.
Second why underground fights in Thailand and Burma sorry these things are very popular and are NOT underground.

I noticed a large change in his fighting/training resume after information about the Burmese arts and practitioners surfaced

[dunlap]

I can only comment on what I know on his bio at figaro pictures the black belt article was even worse

STEAMING PILE OF BS #1

Leaves from the legion were not your typical "leaves", this is when Vandenberg put his training to the use of helping others. On one leave he went to Burma to teach the National Liberation Army, helping them in defending their rights. When his tour ended with the legion, he went back to Burma and worked as an independent soldier and studied the art of Gurka, combat knife fighting, under Master Sik.

STEAMING PILE OF BS #2

In addition he began to compete professionally in freestyle Bando, winning two international tournaments.

[meng_mao]

I can only comment on what I know on his bio at figaro pictures the black belt article was even worse

STEAMING PILE OF BS #1

Leaves from the legion were not your typical "leaves", this is when Vandenberg put his training to the use of helping others. On one leave he went to Burma to teach the National Liberation Army, helping them in defending their rights. When his tour ended with the legion, he went back to Burma and worked as an independent soldier and studied the art of Gurka, combat knife fighting, under Master Sik.

STEAMING PILE OF BS #2

In addition he began to compete professionally in freestyle Bando, winning two international tournaments.

Is this Phil Dunlap, the AFS bando guy?

[dunlap]

Yes it is

[JFS USA]

Yes it is

So ... uh ... Phil ... you seriously don't think this ass monkey knows shit from shinola I take it :toothy10:

I find the Belgium Army thing a hoot!!! I was attached to a Belgium unit back in '89 while stationed in the then FRG. I begged to be extended but no dice.

All I did was drink beer ... very good beer I might add ... eat rabbit with boiled potatoes and apple sauce ... jump out of hot air balloons ... and shoot at the range whenever I felt like it. Range Control was too busy drinking brewskies to do much beyond saying "Do try to stay in your own lane when firing."

And this was the "rapid deployment" unit for them :5shocking

The most laid back military organization I've ever encountered ... it was like a fucking Boys Club with no Adult supervision.

Being in the Belgium Army DOES NOT COUNT ... but sure is a bunch of fun.

[dunlap]

I don't know anything about the French Foriegn legion or Belgian Army and am hate to comment on peoples military service as even though for a brief period I bore arms against an oppresive government I have never served and am uncomfortable questioning things I don't know about.

As to he unofficial service in Burma it is where I "bore arms" and he is FULL OF SHIT.

As to his Martial claims in Burma / Myanmarthe the arts were very rarely called Bando .

Freestyle Bando competition does not exist unless the American Bando Assoc. has invented
as part of their tournies.

WTF the F**K is Gurka ? Goorka are a people from Nepal and Ghurka is a Regiment in the British army. The shit people spew does not even make sense

[bad credit]

Dom starred in his own straight to video B rated action movie called Pitfighter. Spike tv has been buying up all the rights to these old kung fu flicks, and now they're doing the same with all the aforementioned STV actioners. Seagal, Van Damme, and now Vandenburg. I saw like half of Pitfighter on there the other day. I also have the Dom article in that MA mag. Somewhere. I somehow expected to be impressed with the fight scenes. He must LOOOOVE Van Damme, 'cause he leaves his hands down so he can get repeatedly punched and kicked in the face, and then gets his second wind and comes back with a spinning kick to win it all just like his Belgian hero. Hmmmm... Oh yeah, he can somehow survive multiple gunshots and heal back good as new.