Just fought some bullshido...

[Antagony]

(Someone be sure to make a really good joke about how the beginning of this story sounds like gay pornography.)

So some guys were over at my place and one slightly intoxicated fellow decides he wants to wrestle. This is something he does very frequently.

Anyway, he was able to beat the both of us (hey, I don't claim to be good). I said he did really well but he would be more effecient if he learned some more submissions since the armbar was about the only thing he knew.

So I started showing a few submissions when I came to the triangle. Apparently he thought that being able to out-wrestle us meant that he was the wise all-knowing str33t w4rr10r.

He said something along the lines of, "That's stupid in a streetfight. He could just punch you, gouge out your eyes, or rip your balls off." I kindly invited him, "Okay, come here and try all of those."

I locked him in the triangle. First he tried to eye gouge me. I just turned my head to the side and pushed his left bicep with my right arm.

Then he started to stand up so he could slam me, so I cross grabbed his right arm (that was the free one, obviously) with my left and hooked his ankle with my right hand. No problem!

After those failed attempts, he decided to target my crotch. He said he would just "knee me in the balls". Yeah, that totally didn't work. He could sort of knee me in the butt with about a two-inch range of motion.

Here he starts to get mad and rolls us a little bit. He trys to use his free arm to grab my nuts which are completely inaccessible from just about ANY angle, much less this arm that wrapping around my leg. He could kind of grab my lowerlower abdomen and that almost tickled a little bit. Didn't even bother trying to control his arm for that one. In fact, I smiled and pulled his head down a little bit to make the triangle more miserable.

At this point he got really frustrated and just started flailing and rolling us all over the place, defeating the purpose of the exercise. I was sure to inform him that the triangle isn't like SUPER ULTRA INVINCIBLE TO EVERYTHING and he finally understood the fucking point of what we were doing.

SCORE ONE FOR THE ANTI-BULLSHIT WARRIORS, YARRRRRRR!!

[ICY]

Well...to GET to the triangle in a street fight would be very uncomfortable, but not impossible. Could you get him into the triangle without him letting you do it?

[NHB_Ben]

Originally posted by I Choke You
Well...to GET to the triangle in a street fight would be very uncomfortable, but not impossible. Could you get him into the triangle without him letting you do it?

I use this particular (triangle) maneuver /A LOT/ against wrestlers with limited submission abilities: http://www.meutatame.com.br/estran29.gif

If you get taken down by any maneuver that lands you under their side control, it's available.

[supercrap]

You know, the beginning of that story sounds just like... Never mind.

Shit, how much pressure did you apply? I'm surprised the guy didn't tell you to stop or tap, I got triangled the other night and felt like my head was in a vice...

[TxKickerLady]

Other than drunken wrestling, what is this guy's MA background? You said "us" a couple of times. Does that mean he beat you and another guy at the same time?

[ICY]

Landing a triangle on someone who doesn't want to tap is great...cause eventually they just have to. But I like using the hammerlock/kimura on wrestlers.

[Hannibal]

Well done.

Remember, Bullshido can strike anywhere at anytime. You must be ready.

[deus ex machina]

Uhm. The triangle isn't exactly the most "street-savvy" submission.

[supercrap]

There is a video on subfighter I think where two kids go at it in a scrap. ONe begins ground and pound in the others guard. The guy in the guard triangles him and thats the end of it.

(just an example)

[Greese]

Originally posted by Hannibal
Well done.

Remember, Bullshido can strike anywhere at anytime. You must be ready.
Yeah, like when hannibal posts.

[iamamonster]

i've never seen a streetfight video of a participant using some sound grappling

[ICY]

I gave a friend the Gracie Basics tapes, he watched them, I showed him how to do the most basic takedowns and the mount/punch/armbar. We went over it enough that he knew how to do that...and really only that.

So one day he was in a bar, some pushy guy was hitting on his drunk friend (girl, not girlfriend though) and he told the guy "She's drunk, fuck off" the guy wouldn't leave her alone, so he told him again and this time the guy punched my friend. SO my friend clinched with the guy and tripped him down, mounted, started punching, the guy punched from the bottom of the mount and gave my friend a fat lip, but after my friend had punched him enough times, he did the classic "flail the arms around and try to push away the mounted guy" thing, and my friend armbarred him, applied pressure until he heard a crack and the guy screamed, then got off him and left...the fight was over.

Another time, my brother, who I trained with for a couple of years, got into a fight at school with a "tough guy" who had made some unwanted advances on our sister. The guy pushed my brother, punched him, and jerseyed him (you know, like in a hockey fight?) then made the mistake of grabbing him while he continued to punch him. My brother body-locked him and slammed him (think Shamrock-Zionoviev) onto the floor and then mounted and started using forearms, when a teacher came flying at my brother to tackle him off the kid, my brother instinctively threw an elbow at him backwards (he didn't realize it was a teacher...the vice-principal in fact...a short, fat, bald guy) and gave him a bleeding nose, but the guy scrambled back and did pull my brother off the guy.

There was this "thug" that I knew, he was in fact a drug dealer and a pimp, and later a heroin addict who went to jail and got ass raped and caught Hep C...but this was at the dealer/pimp stage. He thought he was tough, and I thought that was funny, because I knew he was all talk and/or needed a gun to do his dirty work. But I was friendly with him at this point, I bought weed off him and stuff, so I wasn't afraid he'd shoot me or anything. So anyway, I tell him I will fight him, and he can do anything he wants and I won't hit him...so I just circle him for a second to see what he's gonna do. He eventually throws a rather pathetic uppercut which I step out of the way of, clinch, take him down, and armbar him. The thing is though, he didn't want to tap, so I just applied a little more pressure, at which point he started tapping faster than a...well, I was going to think of something clever here, but I'm tired and lazy, suffice it to say, he tapped real fast. Then, we both got up, and man, I tell you, there's no funnier site than a tough guy who just got punked in front of his friends with tears in his eyes...his voice cracking, he said "That stuff...(holding back a sob)...really works..." then he had to "go to the bathroom"...guess crying in front of your friends isn't cool when you're supposed to be tough. The next week, some guy said something that pissed him off and he grabbed a 26oz Jack Daniel's bottle and hit the guy's face with it until it smashed, then stabbed him in the face with the broken bottle, that guy with the smashed face was at the mental level of a 5 year old last I heard (concussions are bad mmmkay?)...like I said, "tough".

[Antagony]

Allow me to clear up a couple of things:

1.) I wasn't necessarily advocating the triangle for street use. In fact, there had been no mention of streetfighting whatsoever up until he mentioned it because everything had previously been done in the context of "just wrestling". But, I wanted to show him that the triangle can a viable technique if you happen to end up under someone.

2.) He did not beat two people at the same time. Seperate "matches".

[Ronin]

You should have drilled him from the triangle.
NHB Ben, that was the first way I was ever taught to apply the triangle in Judo

[PizDoff]

Originally posted by NHB_Ben
I use this particular (triangle) maneuver /A LOT/ against wrestlers with limited submission abilities: http://www.meutatame.com.br/estran29.gif

If you get taken down by any maneuver that lands you under their side control, it's available.

Wow....neat pic, thank you!

[Guerrero]

Originally posted by PizDoff
Wow....neat pic, thank you!
Same here. I'm definately going to add it to my portfolio of downloaded techniques.