Shaolin-do sparring report

[Hedgehogey]

So me, taebomaster, muchlove and tbm's ex arrive at north SD. We sign waivers.
Turns out i'm the only one sparring. There are perhaps seven black belts there, all at least second degree (I am an 140 pound, 9 month bjj white belt).
I won't bore you with details. Straight to the sparring (Rules: no biting).
The first one was me vs a second degree. We exchange blows on the feet, me getting off more leg kicks and he more punches. He catches one of my kicks, whirls me around. I go to guard, sweep him over and struggle for a foot or leg submission. I can't get enough leverage, so I go to guard again. He tries for GnP, I catch the arm for an armbar.

Second match: Me vs a second degree (fresh). This was signifigantly harder and ended inconclusively, with much wrangling over the rules.
Although I didn't feel them at the time, now my shoulder is hurting from the axe kicks, and i'm unable to hold my right arm up.
He consistently out punched me and snapped down my takedowns (I suspect he either prepared extensively beforehand or wrestled) for about ten minutes, though I got in a few leg kicks. I pull guard/start buttscooting when one of the other black belts suddenly runs up to me to stop the fight. Turns out my nose and lip were bloody.

Although I and my opponent express a willingness to keep going, the other black belt says it's unsanitary and dangerous for both of us.
Fair enough. It's their school, and they have no way of knowing if I have any diseases, and although neither my nose or lip were broken, there would have inevitably been blood mingling if we kept going.
If it were a vale tudo match, we would have kept going, though the other guy would have been ahead on points.
I invited them to our open mat and, although they unfortuenately declined, I hope to see them there sometime.

Video forthcoming. EDIT: Video never forthcoming.

[PizDoff]

Nice.

At some point I guess you want to flaunt the weight difference?
Have you done MA other than BJJ before? There ain't nothing in your profile.

[Hedgehogey]

Their black belts did.

The weight difference wasn't actually all that big. I think both had twenty pounds on me.

I've done various MA before but muay thai/vo tu do was the only one worth anything.

[Darting Fingers]

Well done stepping up to the plate and throwing down.
Would your time frame studying MA be similar to theirs?

[Hedgehogey]

Not in the least. They all were much more experienced than me (that is unless you can get your fourth degree there in a year).

[Darting Fingers]

Train hard, go back pwn them even harder.

[bunyip]

Very cool. Any clinch work?

[Hedgehogey]

Very little.

[Emevas]

Originally posted by Osiris
So they actually had a bit of skill?

If 4th Degrees are losing to students of 9 months, you really hafta question it.

[Stiles]

Originally posted by hedgehogey
So me, taebomaster, muchlove and tbm's ex arrive at north SD. We sign waivers.
Turns out i'm the only one sparring. There are perhaps seven black belts there, all at least second degree (I am an 150 pound, 9 month bjj white belt).
I won't bore you with details. Straight to the sparring (Rules: no biting).
The first one was me vs a fourth degree. We exchange blows on the feet, me getting off more leg kicks and he more punches. He catches one of my kicks, whirls me around. I go to guard, sweep him over and struggle for a foot or leg submission. I can't get enough leverage, so I go to guard again. He tries for GnP, I catch the arm for an armbar.

Second match: Me vs a second degree (fresh). This was signifigantly harder and ended inconclusively, with much wrangling over the rules.
Although I didn't feel them at the time, now my shoulder is hurting from the axe kicks, and i'm unable to hold my right arm up.
He consistently out punched me and snapped down my takedowns (I suspect he either prepared extensively beforehand or wrestled) for about ten minutes, though I got in a few leg kicks. I pull guard/start buttscooting when one of the other black belts suddenly runs up to me to stop the fight. Turns out my nose and lip were bloody.
Although I and my opponent express a willingness to keep going, the other black belt says it's unsanitary and dangerous for both of us.
Fair enough. It's their school, and they have no way of knowing if I have any diseases, and although neither my nose or lip were broken, there would have inevitably been blood mingling if we kept going.
If it were a vale tudo match, we would have kept going, though the other guy would have been ahead on points.
I invited them to our open mat and, although they unfortuenately declined, I hope to see them there sometime.

Video forthcoming.

Good stuff! :) I've been wondering about these guys for quite some time, I'm glad to hear you actually went down and tried them out. I'm looking forward to the video.

[manchuria]

not to rock the boat, but hedge's experience over all is a lot more than a year.

[Hedgehogey]

Yeah it is, but almost everything but BJJ was useless. Other arts I studied include TKD, shotokan, daito ryu and muay thai/vo tu do (the only other good one). Total about five years.

[TaeBo_Master]

Hedge did extremely well. In the second match he was taking quite the beating, and he just kept coming back over and over. Really good spirit.

[shaolindoite]

If you are going to judge our art by this event then you should get a another first-hand account. To set the record straight. the very first fight he fought was against a 2nd (not 4th) degree black belt. Furthermore, Hedge told everyone he had 4 years experience in other arts before starting JJ. Tonight he fought two guys with 5 years experience each (hedge had 4 years in other arts and 9 months in JJ). If stand-up arts are truly useless as he implies then their 5 years shouldn't have given them any advantage. Also, for the record he at least five major cuts on his face, we had a hard time mopping up his blood all over our floor and he refused to call it quits ( I must give him Kudos for bravado). My student fighting him was wearing standard issue tournament sparring gloves (2 inches of padding), not vale tudo gloves until I had them switch gloves for the last minutes of the fight. With the damage hedge took from my student's padded punches, it is highly likely that he would have been unconscious with bare knuckle strikes. I think it is bad form for him not to be able to even admit that this excellent martial artist, with a fantastic attitude had bested him. My student came to me and said I don't want to beat him any bloodier, what do I have to do to win this thing? Tae-Bo master was there to watch the fight and I ask him to report if anything I have said here is incorrect.
Owner of the Shaolin-Do school

[Hedgehogey]

Hah! I said this: "If this had been a vale tudo match, he would have been ahead on points."

And the other 4 years were crap. They taught me NOTHING.

Anyway, the vale tudo gloves INCREASE the likelihood of a knockout, although they decrease cuts.

Oh yeah, and NOWHERE has ANYONE on bullshido said that standup fighting is crap.

[tell the truth]

Lets be honest. The first guy was only a 2nd degree black belt with no more than 5 yrs training.