why...

[jaysen]

...this site is bullshit.

Ill tell you why this site is bullshit. Most of its users concentrate on what martial art will enable them to beat anybody in a fight. These people hate point sparring because its "tag" and just because its not "full contact" its not real-
Just because you "tag" somebody does not mean you cant "tag" them with hella force. Its the "tag" that matters in a fight, it got through, not how hard it is in practice, you can always make it harder or softer according to the situation.

These people hate board breaking because "boards dont hit back"-
Who said they did? Board breaking is practice and show of force. It helps toughen up your striking tools, and helps to build force- like a punching bag, they dont hit back either.

These people hate testings where you dont bleed or loose a limb-
this is just fucking stupid. Im all for hard testings, but having to "actually fight" in any testing is stupid because you can train for fighting without having to "really fight".People who do this misunderstand the meaning of martial arts. Boxers dont have "matches" everyday do they? Hell no, they "spar" and thats how you get better, otherwise you just get hurt and bruised when your trying to learn. So, testing should be a display of whats learned, not "lets see you get hurt today, just like yesterday. Ill put 3 ppl on you and watch you get you ass kicked and laugh then "promote" you."

These people have no martial arts spirit. They are thugs. They are just as effective as thugs, because they`re mindset is wrong. You guys have no discussions of martial arts mental training at all. Just about bullshit that prolly wont happen anyways unless you look for it. Fighting. Also, any style is great to defend yourself. Your thinking of martial art vs. martial art, instead of martial art vs. regular Joe. If youve ever seen regular Joe fight its a pretty sad display of aggression and thats all. The wors case scenario is being in a fight with another martial artist. That totally goes against evrything we`ve been taught as martial artists. Why are you concentrating on this wrong vs. battle?

Thats why this site is bullshit....its full of it. Id get more truth from a 10 yr. old black belt thenmost of you....you know why? Cause the 10 yr. old could tell me the meaning of martial arts, all you guys tell me is how pricks act. How bad people act in martial arts and corrupt its system. The 10 yr. old would know what courtesy,respect,perserverance,andself control meant. You all have no clue. The 10 year old is more of a martial artist than you all. Do you see?.....

Didnt think so.

[sillitoechris]

I totally agree. Can somebody please tell me if there exists a moral code within the teaching of BJJ. If there does a lot of people on this site dont seem to know it or certainly dont practice it by their self-promoting 'ill kick your ass'comments.

[SLJ]

>Most of its users concentrate on what martial art will enable them to beat anybody in a fight.

Yes that's a pretty good idea isn't it, unless you want to lose of course.

MA's are about winning fights, if you want to dance go and do Ballet, if you want spirituality go to church, but don't delude yourself into believing that they will help you in ANY way when the shit hits the fan. Cause they won't.

"Blood sugar suckerfish is my dish.
How many pieces do you wish ?"

[jaysen]

dont take one sentence out of my post, take it out of context, and use it for your purposes. I hate when people do that, they end up making a poin about something you didnt even say.

Nobody said dance or ballet ass, just you.

Also, nobody said spirituality, you should look that up, because that has to do with belief in a GOD.

Matrial arts mental training, will definetly help you in a fight. I doesnt suprise me that you dont believe so because you probably dont know what it is, or are too narrow minded to understand it.

[frankdooks]

LMFAO!!!

I hope this is a joke. Because it is spectacularly funny.

the meaning of martial arts... LOL!

every martial art has a different meaning. Though most ppl will never accept this, Shaolin gung fu's true original purpose was an exercise for lazy unfit monks.

Judo's meaning is to be able to reap maximum benefit with minimum efforts. This to Kano meant full contact sparring(randori).

BJJ's meaning is to test yourself against other styles. It has a history of accepting and promoting fights with others.

I think you have too much of an 80's mystical martial arts mindset.

[SLJ]

I think you're right Dooks.

>dont take one sentence out of my post, take it out of context, and use it for your purposes. I hate when people do that, they end up making a poin about something you didnt even say.

But you did say it, those are the words you used.

Your approach to training is very unrealistic, point sparing and board breaking are not going to help you in a live situation. I'm being honest, something which is seriously lacking in MA's today.

"Blood sugar suckerfish is my dish.
How many pieces do you wish ?"

[jaysen]

no....sorry SLJ but your wrong. My point sparring has helped me in a "live" situation. HAHA

Also I dont mean just the physical reason the martial art was created when I say meaning. When I say meaning I mean the ideals martial arts pushes? Does anybody know WTF Im talking about here? Theres no "80`s" mindset becaue its being pushed in good schools today.

Dooks I think you have too much of an "Im a thug asshole, I can win fight HAHA" mindset like most on this board.

Everybody get this; 1.Nobody gives a fuck if you can fight or not 2.But they do care what type of person you are.
See #1 you concentrate too much on, because 99% of the time its not gonna happen, and thats only one facet of martial arts anyways, there is a second "mental" one.(see #2)
and with #2 you dont concentrate on enough (if at all for some of you) because people deal with that 99% of the time. Im not saying take martial arts to be a better person only, you want to learn self defense, but dont cut out being a better person because its too hard to do both, or your just an asshole and you cant. Martial arts is a 50-50 mind body connection, and I dont mean mind connecting with the body to punch somebody in the head- thats just the body part. The mind part is what you all need to look into. Seriously. It will help you live better lives, and be more respected by the MA community and others. When you have nothing to prove, you dont need to prove anything, with words or actions.




Edited by - jaysen on November 25 2002 14:07:01

[SamHarber]

There isn't much you can do to train for a live situation. The last time I got punched was in a crowded club with a pint in my hand, I had a guy in my face for about half a second before he punched me from about a foot away with an uppercut.
You're probably all thinking about what you would have done in that situation, how would your training apply.
The thing is, I doubt if any of you train for sudden unexpected attacks, which to my experience are the most common. When was the last time your instructor belted you in the back of the head while you were in the changing room? Now theres training for a live situation. Inspector Cleuseau had the right idea with Kato trying to attack him constantly.
I'm probably rambling on at a tangent to the original point I was making so I'll stop now.

"Not in the face!"

[SLJ]

>no....sorry SLJ but your wrong. My point sparring has helped me in a "live" situation. HAHA

How exactly, were you attacked by someone with a target painted on their shirt ?

>1.Nobody gives a fuck if you can fight or not

I DO. I prefer not to fight, but I like to know I can give the other guy some serious pain, or a trip to dream land if I have to.

"Blood sugar suckerfish is my dish.
How many pieces do you wish ?"

[jaysen]

"I learned martial arts so i dont have to worry if people like what type of person i am. "

Thats exactly the attitude that ruins martial arts. Thats why a 10 year old black belt is a better martial artist than you.

[Admin-Temp]

Top post edited because of profanity in the subject line.

At least throw a # or * in there somewhere.

Thanks.

[Greese]

jaysen is just bitter cause he just got his ass handed to him by a 10 year old in BJJ.

[KC Elbows]

I find your viewpoint refreshing. After all, it's so rare that someone can come on here and lump most of us together in one mold without having to justify any of it. What you have done here is fresh and new, I believe the last person to achieve what you have here was named 'onebadmuthafukker', and I found what he had to say so incredibly handy, and I especially liked how he would just repeat that same sweeping generalization over and over again to whomever was listening, because there was clearly no gray area, there's clearly no one on here who isn't like you just described, and yet finds reasons to find this site valuable, can't possibly be. So, you're in good company.

And, of course, because of your (anecdotal) success with point sparring, we should all be ashamed of ourselves for thinking that point sparring is not beyond criticism, as it clearly is. Frankly, I now see the light that point sparring is the end all be all because, as you say, power can always be thrown in it. In fact, in boxing, when someone strikes, and they don't have enough effective power in it, I would imagine that's just as good as KO'ing their opponent, since they touched and COULD HAVE thrown power in it, as touching and power generation are like the same skill, no one really needs to learn to apply both in a live situation when touching would do.

BTW, the history of martial arts in europe and asia is filled with thugs who have been romaticized in the histories. There's plenty of great practitioners who were thugs.

As for martial arts vs. martial arts as opposed to martial arts vs. average Joe, I'm sorry, but the first will yield better martial artists. Train with the worst case scenario in mind, not the best. That's why we're bringing up this 'wrong' vs. scenario. Traditionally, the great martial artists of the past tested themselves against the other greats. Your suggestion that you are somehow traditional, we aren't, and yet you train with the average joe in mind is not the tradition as I'm familiar with it.

As for the ten year old black belt, you learn from where you choose, we did not force you to come here.

I don't mind people who are into martial arts for non martial reasons. That's their business. But, to assume all martial arts is traditionally so does not demonstrate much familiarity with the traditions of martial arts(try looking up the hakkas, they are known for going rough, and they're more traditional than most arts, most especially those that have black belts).

As a final word, if you want more content on this site, bring more content. Thus far, I think you've only read what you wanted to see. If you are so traditional, go to the traditional forums on here. Frankly, with your talk of black belts, I don't see how you can claim to be more traditional than anyone else, since such belt systems aren't really very old at all.

[Dochter]

There isn't much you can do to train for a live situation. The last time I got punched was in a crowded club with a pint in my hand, I had a guy in my face for about half a second before he punched me from about a foot away with an uppercut.
You're probably all thinking about what you would have done in that situation, how would your training apply.
The thing is, I doubt if any of you train for sudden unexpected attacks, which to my experience are the most common. When was the last time your instructor belted you in the back of the head while you were in the changing room? Now theres training for a live situation. Inspector Cleuseau had the right idea with Kato trying to attack him constantly.
I'm probably rambling on at a tangent to the original point I was making so I'll stop now.

"Not in the face!"


Cleauseau may have redeemed your earlier admission of guilt about the Osbourne family.

In reference to your comment my instructor, and all the color belted students, will attack you (yes, specifically you) randomly. This generally occurs around practice time and the practice facility, however, I have been attacked in numerous circumstances around town as well. I don't know how much it would help in an actual incident but it tends to make you edgy and aware of your surroundings. This awareness may at least keep you out of some situations.

The really important question though: did you spill your beer?

[SamHarber]

The beer was safe.
He did pretty much no damage, so I just made a very sarcastic comment before the bouncers dragged him away.
It turned out the guy that hit me was one of the people in a fight I'd helped to break up earlier, and for some reason he decided to vent his frustration on me. I've learnt a lot more awareness since then.

"Not in the face!"

[Dochter]

As long as the beer was safe. I once broke a pair of nice sunglasses protecting a beer from a rouge frisbee.

Damn those frisbees and their blind hatred for beer.