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  1. JackHanma is offline
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    My Problems with MMA

    I have a few problems with MMA competition. I think Pride and UFC have too many unecessary rules. First, shouldn't all elbow and Knee attacks be legal regarless of position? It seems silly that elbow are legal during stand up but illegal on the ground. Same with knees. Does anyone disagree?

    Second, why are some wristlocks considered in some competitions as SJM? I have heard some people say that they to likely end in a break but other high speed submissions (which are legal) can also easily cause a break. For example, a very fast takedown-to-Kimura combo can cause a break but that is legal in MMA.

    Third, Why are headbutts banned because they can cause cuts but elbows on the ground (in the UFC), which also easily cause cuts, are legal?

    Why not have a sport where:

    1.No strikes to the joints, the throat, or the groin.
    2.No finger or toe manipulation
    3.No holding onto the fence because it makes for a boring fight.
    4.No trying to break your opponent's neck or otherwise mane and kill your opponent.

    Just 4 simple rules.

    I think those are enough to protect the fighters and have an interesting fight. Why do we need more than ones that I mentioned? The only reason I can think of would seem to be political.
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    Does Brazil still have true Vale Tudo fights? Are they any good? What about Russia?

    I know the US has alot rules because of the McCainiac but there has to be a place where they only have the rules I talked about?
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    I like your rule set, except #4. It's just too subjective, and gives the ref a lot of leeway. Instead, change #4 to "No strikes directly to the spine" and we're all good.
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    What they said.
    And headbutts are so CRUDE!!! Use the fine art of pugilism instead!

    Anyone have "true NHB" footage somewhere?
    I want to see that stuff......watching them do headbutts is CRAZY! :D
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    UFC rules, as approved by the
    Nevada State Athletic Commission - July 23, 2001

    Weight classes:
    Lightweight - over 145 lbs. to 155 lbs.
    Welterweight - over 155 lbs. to 170 lbs.
    Middleweight - over 170 lbs. to 185 lbs.
    Light Heavyweight - over 185 lbs. to 205 lbs.
    Heavyweight - over 205 lbs. to 265 lbs.


    Bout duration:
    All non-championship bouts shall be three rounds.
    All championship bouts shall be five rounds.
    Rounds will be five minutes in duration, with a one minute.
    A one-minute rest period will occur between each round.

    Fouls:
    Butting with the head.
    Eye gouging of any kind.
    Biting.
    Hair pulling.
    Fish hooking.
    Groin attacks of any kind.
    Putting a finger into any orifice or into any cut or laceration on an opponent.
    Small joint manipulation.
    Striking to the spine or the back of the head.
    Striking downward using the point of the elbow.
    Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea.
    Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh.
    Grabbing the clavicle.
    Kicking the head of a grounded opponent.
    Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent.
    Stomping a grounded opponent.
    Kicking to the kidney with the heel.
    Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck.
    Throwing an opponent out of the ring or fenced area.
    Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent.
    Spitting at an opponent.
    Engaging in an unsportsmanlike conduct that causes an injury to an opponent.
    Holding the ropes or the fence.
    Using abusive language in the ring or fenced area.
    Attacking an opponent on or during the break.
    Attacking an opponent who is under the care of the referee.
    Attacking an opponent after the bell has sounded the end of the period of unarmed combat.
    Flagrantly disregarding the instructions of the referee.
    Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury.
    Interference by the corner.
    Throwing in the towel during competition.

    Ways To Win:
    Submission by:
    Physical tap out.
    Verbal tap out.
    Technical knockout by the referee stopping the contest.

    Technical knockout by the referee stopping the contest.

    Decision via the scorecards, including:
    Unanimous decision.
    Split decision.
    Majority decision.
    Draw, including:
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    Majority draw.
    Split draw.

    Technical decision.

    Technical draw.

    Disqualification.

    Forfeit.

    No contest.

    Referee may Restart the round:
    If the fighters reach a stalemate and do not work to improve position or finish.
    The UFC doesn't have many rules that aren't just specific variations of the four you mentioned or ones I consider unnecessary.

    Youe first rule is really three rules.

    Holding the fence makes for a boring fight, but so does a lot of other things. The UFC has a rule against:

    Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury.
    You're fourth rule is so nonspecific it is worhtless. First I don't think anyone is going to try to pin hair on their opponent so I guess you mean "maim" when you say "mane". But how do you define that? Is trying to gouge out someone's eyes maiming? Is trying to rip open an existing cut? Is striking the spine?

    The rest of the fouls are there to ensure a fair fight. I guess you what the fighters to be able to igore refree instructions and attack after the bell.

    The bottom line is the rules are the to lessen the possibility of a life changing injury.
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    Yes. I think that we've already witnessed far too many pinching-related deaths.

    Some of these rules are to prevent unnecessary long-term injuries, some are to promote an atmosphere of sportsman-like conduct and others just seem to be around to keep the matches from playing out too tediously or ending too quickly.

    All I know is that on the str33t, there's no ref to stop you from giving the other guy a wedgee.
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    It's wedgie, you fool!
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    I've also noticed that the rules Punisher posted don't seem to seem to provide the chance to secure a victory by a physical knockout of your opponent, only a technical knockout by ref stoppage.
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    In boxing a KO only occurs when the fighter can't answer a ten count.

    In MMA a TKO and KO are the same thing, because there is no ten count.
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