9/02/2010 11:04am, #11
9/02/2010 12:35pm, #12
- Join Date
- Jan 2006
According to fox news website is was about gun control http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...est=latestnews
"The Obama administration approved the sale of the American-made rifles last year. But it reversed course and banned the sale in March – a decision that went largely unnoticed at the time but that is now sparking opposition from gun rights advocates.
A State Department spokesman said the administration's decision was based on concerns that the guns could fall into the wrong hands."
I hate it when politicians make decisions on "what if" senarios which are either extremely unlikely to happen or if they do will have minimal effect on society. Its not as if there is a problem of roving bands of motocycle gangs with Garands welded onto their handle bars. The state department is making a solution for a problem that doesn't exist. They might as well curtail outdoor activities in case the sun supernovas and incinerates our planet.
9/02/2010 12:59pm, #13
Eh, if Fox news is saying that it's really about gun control then I really take that with a grain of salt. That's so perfectly political.
9/02/2010 3:10pm, #14
I mean...if anything I felt was controversial---and it was reported by CNN, BBC, NPR, MSNBC, or the Big3 in state controlled media---I would immediately discount it as propaganda or an outright lie...well, because that's been their history for the past 30 years or so. It's never in any news agency's best interest to report "just the facts"---because human beings own these news outlets. These human beings have points of view.
These human beings also control who they hire to spin or deliver the news in such a manner that it dovetails into their own beliefs. The modern news media (see above) unarguably has been slanted to the left for decades. Decades. That's nearly every major newspaper and every major news outlet.
Several years back...Fox News hit the news scene. News--which is slightly slanted to the politically right. I say slightly...because it's very slightly pushed that way. You don't see the degree of leftism which is present on Fox, duplicated on other news networks in such a token sense; they don't even bother. So...on cue, the political left began foaming at the mouth...going apeshit, because this one news outlet (versus their 50 or so), was slanted to the right. Of course, being a breath of fresh air---it now firmly is the most popular and most-watched news channel there is. If it was such garbage, why would people in droves continue to watch it?
A veritable monopoly isn't good enough for the left...they want it all. Television, print and radio. Because they understand that if you control the news media, you can control how public opinion is formed, and that my friend...is how peoples' minds can be manipulated. Think for yourself, my man....I hope to hell that you aren't voting for Harry Reid this November.
9/02/2010 3:36pm, #15
9/02/2010 4:14pm, #16
In my opinion Fox News basically supports the Republican party whereas MSNBC basically supports the Democratic party.
So if Fox attributes this Garand import ban to gun control, I think, "Well sure, they probably would tend to portray it that way."
Likewise if MSNBC or someone similar ran a story about how the Garands would, I dunno, lead to terrorism or whatever I'd say the same thing.
Actually, I don't watch the news, because I feel it is all propaganda. My only news source is The Economist because being British I hope it is less likely to be US-specific political propaganda. That being said I see it as being a little leftist.
Bottom line is that I hope you don't see me as being a news puppet of some kind because I don't watch it. Actually as an NRA member you could even argue that First Freedom could be construed as a news source for me.
I'm typing this on a mobile so I'll keep this real brief and just say that these Garands would be an odd target for the gun control lobby and not one they would be able to use to garner popular or donor support in either the short or long run.
9/02/2010 5:07pm, #17
I usually avoid replying to posts like this because it is, and therefore my reply is also, clearly the kind of thing Sociocide was created to house. Then again, the gun control aspect of the Armory often leads to this very dilemma...and besides, I opened this can of worms in the first place. Having said that, I'll do my usual and address each point in turn.
Fox News, to anthropomorphize an organization, is a whore. My initial problem wasn't their right wing slant; I was angry because I was being told to support a whore who was pretending to be a journalist (and that was before Jeff Gannon). My list of complaints has expanded to include the amount of bullshit they insert into political debate and their utter lack of respect. It is one thing to chastise the Daily Show for not showing respect, but it's quite another for a news organization to act like a bunch of frat boys telling inside jokes (for instance, their approval of the "purple heart band-aid" stunt during the 2004 Presidential Election. What happened to the troops being our sacrosanct heroes?).
I am very much a leftist in general, but that doesn't mean that I don't have good reasons for distrusting Fox News.
9/02/2010 7:35pm, #18
And Skeletor, you are Mark Trippin' a little bit there buddy.
I'm in the military. I leave the wire. I am more than happy to send terrorists to their deity of choice. I own a couple guns and hate the fact that I am inhibited by the state from protecting my loved ones. I don't like being a part of a nanny state. I love the constitution, and am not really a big fan of what the US has become. We are a nation of children that lack personal responsibility. That said, I still don't like watching Fox News.
Why? Because of the heavyhanded religious overtones. I am a fiscally conservative atheist that does not approve of a fucking news channel discussing the lack of Jesus in America today as if it is a news event on par with 9/11.
Also, this isn't aimed at anyone in this thread, but more at people in the armed forces: I realize you are all conservatives. If you don't approve of Obama, please at least read a fucking newspaper every now and then and create a policy-based explanation of why not. Also, keep in mind that he is your fucking commander in chief, whether you like it or not. Meaning he is your boss. Maybe that doesn't mean the same thing to others as it does to me."No. Listen to me because I know what I'm talking about here." -- Hannibal
9/02/2010 7:44pm, #19
- Join Date
- Dec 2005
- W. Yorks, UK
Are you sure there are nefarious reasons for this beyond "fucking bureaucracy"?
Because frankly, that's all it looks like from the outside, just a bunch of jobsworths obeying the letter of the law.
9/02/2010 7:49pm, #20"No. Listen to me because I know what I'm talking about here." -- Hannibal