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    guillotine from bottom mount

    Hello, i have a question here, which is probably stupid, but anyway:
    When you establish the mount position, some people will respond by grabing your head in a guillotine/headlock hold with all their strength. Now i know that they cannot choke you from the bottom of the mount as they do not have the leverage, but this can nontheless be painful. It is especially problematic if a stronger person employs this tactic, as they can hold your head very tight, making it imposible to break the grip.
    Now my question is if there is any good way to get your head free from the hold. Of course one could just wait until the opponent exhausts all his strength holding and lets go, but i am interested if there is another, faster way.

    To show you the position i am reffering to, see this video at 0:33-0:52

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    Anything else besides punching the ribs until they let go?

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    Von flu or arm triangle. I kinda like arm triangle because you don't have to dismount until you have solid control.

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    Put your free elbow in his eye and just do a mortar and pestle thing with his vitreous and aqueous fluids.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteShark View Post
    Von flu or arm triangle. I kinda like arm triangle because you don't have to dismount until you have solid control.
    Ooh, I hadn't seen the Von Flue before, I'll have to try that sometime.

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    You can also switch to side control, and it becomes real easy to just pop your head out. If that doesn't work (and you can't get the Von Flue to work), proceed to North-South, and you should be completely free of the choke.

    WhiteShark, I'm having difficulty picturing how you set up an arm triangle from that position. Though being a judo guy, I'm not to familiar with arm triangles in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrackFox View Post
    Though being a judo guy, I'm not to familiar with arm triangles in general.
    Really? That was the first choke they ever taught me, from a scarf hold ya know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by callum828 View Post
    Really? That was the first choke they ever taught me, from a scarf hold ya know.
    Yeah, but I've only ever been shown one - kata gatame. The BJJ guys seem to have about a bajillion variations of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrackFox View Post
    You can also switch to side control, and it becomes real easy to just pop your head out. If that doesn't work (and you can't get the Von Flue to work), proceed to North-South, and you should be completely free of the choke.
    Yeah, this would be a more sensible defence IMO. If the chokes in tight your better off moving to side control to get your head out.
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    Either a massive crossface with the elbow or dismount to side control.

    When people try to "guillotine" you like that from side control there is a pretty good wristlock you can use. Robert Drysdale shows it on the youtube series where Jeff Glover travels around to different gyms.

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