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    In boxing I'm supposed to be light on my feet, sink into my punches. In wrestling (mostly for throws) I'm supposed to plant hard into the ground and toss/throw/lift/etc.
    This is an apt description of the basics of rooting in kung fu.

    However again as in boxing, quick movement, being fluid, etc to set up the throw and get into position. I don't try and stand my ground.
    This is what he isn't explaining well at all. This is what has been lost on many esoteric, eclectic, and poor teachers of Kung Fu. The first part of your sentence is what a good CMA teacher is supposed to teach. You then combine it with rooting to add the so called "internal" strikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteShark View Post
    BTW, madmonkey if you want to start serious kung fu discussions try the CMA forum. YMAS discussions typically devolve into comedy fail threads.

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    ... range of posters as well
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    He talked for 10 minutes about something that takes less than 2 minutes to explain.

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    He talked for 10 minutes about something that takes less than 2 minutes to explain.
    Yep that's when you should start questioning things. CMA isn't anymore complicated than BJJ or boxing.

    People try to make it that way for marketing purposes IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Larson View Post
    He talked for 10 minutes about something that takes less than 2 minutes to explain.

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    Gee, I've never seen that happen in BJJ or Judo. Even then there's even more there that he didn't delve into.
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    People tend to over complicate in general, makes them feel worth more, as if only they understand it. People like explaining things, again, puts them one step higher as the teacher.
    Also, they sometimes just accept what has been taught to them without question, and many people in martial arts simply parro away what they have been taught.
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    So I can see how "rooting" would be used, but only as I know it, only for a moment. The entrance and footwork leading up to the strike/throw should be light and quick to set it up.
    This. As an MMA fighter with a Pro record who has a base in TCMA I will agree with you that this is how rooting is expressed. You stay light and fluid on the outside, sunk into the ground on the inside. Works for me pretty good.
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    when it got to the pointing a punch out of the way, I laughed pretty hard. Yes, there's a lot of rooting in kungfu, but then again, there's a lot of footwork in there. Head movement is something I'm still working on, as I see lack of head movement being a real problem with most kungfu styles and how people apply them (_ _ng _ _n, for example). A lot rely heavily on the idea that their hands will do all the parrying or bridging needed to protect their head.

    Nothing wrong with knowing how to get your head out of the way FIRST, though.
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