Posted On:3/29/2011 7:07am
Style: My Own Do
To sum it up KittyKi..."those that do not know speak, those that know, keep silent". So let it be with Mark
Last edited by Failed Student; 3/29/2011 7:34am at .
Posted On:3/29/2011 2:56pm
Originally Posted by kittyki
Hello all: Looks like my friend is the only one posting. Ha. I (the ex student) have just been to an evening folk concert at a local coffee shop (like the dream, eerie) except bemused was there, with her husband, in real life, and there were no COL people other than former one bemused. She was with a folk group and band, with a pianist, guitarist, flutist and even a sax player. In real life! No but they were quite good and funny. She has come a long way since training and has found her purpose, helping women's shelters, real ones, not fake ones. At times we discussed our 'fearless leader' and 'the cult leader' as one in the same, and that the old name of the site 'Cultmaster' best described her.
And FS, I had a green tea. I can't drink milk. I also had tswo delicious chocolate chip cookies.
And bemused looked well and happy, actually much improved since having gotten over TYK's awful makeovers. :)
Indeed, I was hosting the release party for my second CD. It was a benefit concert for a local domestic violence agency at which I've been volunteering for the past few years. I was up there performing with my hubby and some of my favorite musician friends, having the time of my life. A few of my songs allude to the cultish period of my life, though not directly. I mostly sing about relationships and issues that matter to me.
It was great to see Kittyki again after all these years.
I'm pushing 50 and am no bikini model, but I feel happier, healthier, and more confident than I ever have. I'm pursuing my creative passion with some success, I'm married to the love of my life, I have an intellectually engaging day job, and I have lots of friends. Life is good.
Posted On:4/13/2011 5:09pm
I have a new theory about Kimmie. Before I've said that she shows signs of the Cluster B personality disorders: narcissistic, antisocial, histrionic, and borderline. But something else might be going on.
I've been reflecting on learning disabilities lately. I have a cousin who is dyslexic. Another friend may or may not have a learning disability, but he has always struggled with math. Although both of these people are responsible and ethical, there's a correlation between learning disabilities and criminal behavior. It could be that some kids with learning disabilities feel that they've been dealt a bad hand by life and take their frustration out on just about everybody.
Kimmie can't use an ATM or a computer. She has other people write for her, keep her schedule, manage her money, and so on. She seems to have three talents: martial arts, maintaining a showy personal appearance, and charming/manipulating people. I wonder if perhaps she has some sort of learning disability that, starting in her teens, she compensated for by manipulating other people into doing things for her. Then as time went on, controlling people became an end in itself.
Posted On:4/13/2011 6:43pm
Bemused, I would diagnose TYK as a sociopath as well as being a sadist. She certainly fits the deifinition of sociopath, and in my personal observations, a sadist.
Whenever she could determine what gave one of her students pleasure, she would do her damndest to deny that pleasure to them. In my case, I love tennis - so she tried to get me to give up tennis.
Most people have an attachment to their familiy members as well as their friends - so she tried to get them to break those ties. She was so effective in that tactic, that SHS among others came to think that their "family" resided in the small confines of her group of disciples, and probably continue to think so to this day. It was frightening and an awakening to me when SHS stated that he minimized his contact with the world "out there", and was only comfortable being with TYK et al. MBF also stated that those in the group were his friends...apparently he had detached from the outside world and had no friends outside of the group. Sad.....
A simple individual
Posted On:4/13/2011 8:21pm
Style: Pet Kat Do
Originally Posted by bemused
I have a new theory about Kimmie.
I've been reflecting on learning disabilities lately. I have a cousin who is dyslexic. .....there's a correlation between learning disabilities and criminal behavior.
I think you've got it! Kimmie is a "Dog" who thinks she is "God."
There is a better life waiting for you when you take the first steps to be healed.
Posted On:4/13/2011 8:52pm
Originally Posted by Shadow Dancer
I think you've got it! Kimmie is a "Dog" who thinks she is "God."
Or just a bitch
Posted On:4/13/2011 11:14pm
Kimmie might have a learning disability, but that doesn't exclude the possibility (or very likely probability) that she's a sociopath as well. Psychologists refer to having more than one condition as co-morbidity.
In a way, sociopathy (called antisocial personality disorder these days) can be considered a learning disability. It's an inability to feel empathy or guilt, which leads to an inability to learn ethical conduct. Sociopaths used to be called "moral imbeciles."
Posted On:4/14/2011 4:52pm
I would add "Depraved Indifference to the Suffering of Others" to Kimmie's sterling qualities. I am not an authority on social norms by any measure, but her selfishness and ego gratification far exceed normal parameters.
Veritas vos liberabit
Posted On:4/15/2011 1:35pm
I would not give her the 'excuse' of having a learning disability, Bemused. I'm sure she is fully capable of writing something herself, but chooses not to. She can get others to do that. Even the Way of the Warrior' videos mention her 'social and mental difficulties' so clearly she had something. but it's not excuse. She does ramp up her 'Korean speech' when she was flustered and plays everyone with a 'pity me party', until they turn and say, 'Oh no, we all like you'. or some other drivel. When she used to say she was going to leave, part of me said, fine. Go and leave. I will not stop you. The door is open.
FS and bemused, there are many ranges of mental disability and mental problems, including what used to be called sociopathic behavior, at work in TYK. But because she is fully aware of what she is doing to others, at least on a conscious level, it is not so obvious.
I'd say that from the vantage of having a retired psych nurse brother, aNDnd some minor research, that what she has is borderline personality disorder, where she is able to use it to manipulate others. She has even come to believe she is important somehow.
Although she is probably extremely lonely inside and demands others bow to her, she is content to have power in her inner circle and to make it look like she is the leader of a family, some kind of a mother goddess or maybe a mob Godmother, (like a Godfather) but without the actual violence mobs do.
Borderline fits her personality. The condition would even lead in some cases to mild schizophrenia, delusions of grandeur and various complexes.
Also she likely was abused by her drunken realtives and was involved in various other matters, but that is not an excuse. Once she came to the US she was no longer part of that world, and yet, she always turned back to how terrible or great Korea was depending on her mood.
She was a car salesperson and must have known something of the hard sell, and has been putting one over on her students for years.
Often people in cults pretend their deluded world is a family and they have no friends but those in their circle. They are likely very intelligent people who would claim not to be duped into such things, but end up suckered in because they are also lonely or easily modified. They are discouraged from relationships with those outside the group unless they intend to recruit new followers.
Even pyramid scams work like this. She knows about that. IDN and People's Network and the like. TYK is certainly clever and has been manipulating the followers for some time. Even SHS and MBF probably believe her totally and would fall on a figurative sword for her. They would be as guilty of things she did as she was.
And they would likely take the fall willingly if she actually got hauled off to jail for taxes or something. She would then play up her poor little me story and everyone would fall in line again and pay her bail.
I like Shadow's comment about the dog. Yup.
Posted On:4/15/2011 1:38pm
Not that being lonely is an excuse either.
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