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  1. MMAMickey is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by ignorami View Post
    If I do turn with it, it would be very similar to the uke nagashi movement we use at our aikido* class. I can pull that off against a spaz-puncher at longer range, but I don't see how I can deflect and turn quickly enough to be effective at this closer starting distance, or against someone good at punching.
    exactly.
    "The hero and the coward both feel the same thing, but the hero projects his fear onto his opponent while the coward runs. 'Fear'. It's the same thing, but it's what you do with it that matters". - Cus D'Amato
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by syclix View Post
    I'm guessing that who ever is punching will have to extend their arm to reach you? Couldn't you just step towards them pushing their arm upwards with you bong sau? Or you could try putting more energy in to pushing your bong sau forwards with you hip.
    You want him to step towards a punch?
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    Ha yeah, I admit stepping into it is a bad idea. I agree with the turning and the use of a tan sau providing their elbow is above yours.
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    Thanks guys. I'll ask about being shown some tan sau now I have something constructive to ask the instructor. Also, I'll have a try at moving forwards as i bong sau and see if that stops it obstructing my vision when forcing the puncher's arm up.

    Sadly I won't be at class for a week coz of holidays, but maybe I can practice on the wife.

    The approaches of moving out of the way and also using the second hand to block seem the obvious route, but it seems they'd work just as well without bong-sauing at all.

    @Asriel & Kovacs: cheers for discussing the chun, (now go wash your hands).
    Out of interest (and possibly too OT), it seems you've moved on from WC in favour of other things. What do you use now to do bong sau's job at that range?
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     Style: Aikido / FMA / Krotty

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    N.B. I'm assuming that the moving forward is toward the puncher, not toward the punch. Turning/Weaving still apply at the same time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ignorami View Post
    Thanks guys. I'll ask about being shown some tan sau now I have something constructive to ask the instructor. Also, I'll have a try at moving forwards as i bong sau and see if that stops it obstructing my vision when forcing the puncher's arm up.

    Sadly I won't be at class for a week coz of holidays, but maybe I can practice on the wife.

    The approaches of moving out of the way and also using the second hand to block seem the obvious route, but it seems they'd work just as well without bong-sauing at all.

    @Asriel & Kovacs: cheers for discussing the chun, (now go wash your hands).
    Out of interest (and possibly too OT), it seems you've moved on from WC in favour of other things. What do you use now to do bong sau's job at that range?
    I don't 'block' punches. It seems almost impossible to get to it before you're hit. Instead I try and move out of the way and cover or absorb it on my guard
    " The reason elite level MMAists don't fight with aikido is the same reason elite level swimmers don't swim with their lips." - Virus

    " I shocked him with my skills on the ice becuase Wing Chun is great for hockey fighting." - 'Sifu' Milt Wallace

    "Besides, as you might already know (from Virus, for example) - there's only 1 wing chun and it sucks big time" - Tonuzaba

    "Even when I'm promising mayhem and butt-chicanery, I'm generally posting with a smile on my face." - Sochin101

    "That said, if he blocked my hip on a drop nage, I would extend my leg into a drop tai Otoshi and slam him so hard his parents would die." - MTripp

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    Posted On:
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    I can already tell either your instruction sucks to such a huge extent or you are such an idiot that there's no point in telling you to BiuSao, not BongSao.
    Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.

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    not sure if the bong sau you are talking about is the same as the hung ga version, but as i taught it, bong sau is only really useful from a hands down starting position, and is best used as a quick cover-up against a surprise attack.

    never used it in a fight, but one time when i was hit by a car, i did use it, and covered my head with my elbow, so when i went through the windshield, my elbow took the impact rather than my head. pretty sure bong sau saved my life that day.

    i really wish there was CCTV footage, because the whole story sounds a bit far fetched, but it's true.
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ming Loyalist View Post
    not sure if the bong sau you are talking about is the same as the hung ga version, but as i taught it, bong sau is only really useful from a hands down starting position, and is best used as a quick cover-up against a surprise attack.
    There’s one like this in choy li fut too, but lower than the chun one with the arm more extended.


    pretty sure bong sau saved my life that day.
    out of context quote of the day!

    i really wish there was CCTV footage, because the whole story sounds a bit far fetched, but it's true.
    Like all great chun, it is not to be found on video.
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    Posted On:
    8/20/2010 10:48am

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    You really need to get a 'Bong Sau saved my life' T-shirt made
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    " I shocked him with my skills on the ice becuase Wing Chun is great for hockey fighting." - 'Sifu' Milt Wallace

    "Besides, as you might already know (from Virus, for example) - there's only 1 wing chun and it sucks big time" - Tonuzaba

    "Even when I'm promising mayhem and butt-chicanery, I'm generally posting with a smile on my face." - Sochin101

    "That said, if he blocked my hip on a drop nage, I would extend my leg into a drop tai Otoshi and slam him so hard his parents would die." - MTripp

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