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  1. Emevas is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlosJesena View Post
    I re-read the article, and I agree.


    It's as if those PhD's didn't know or understand much about the concepts involved in muscle fiber recruitment...

    It's the big disconnect in the community. Those with the necessary scientific degrees to conduct the study generally don't lift weights, and those that are elite at their lifting generally aren't scientists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Res Judicata View Post
    You can, if you go to do it to exhaustion. Most BB's use (for them) relatively light weights and high volume. But your strength won't keep up with appearances. Most pure bodybuilders are weaker than they look -- not that they're weak, just that they're not as strong as a comparable sized powerlifter, o-lifter, strongman competitor etc.
    That's kind of splitting hairs. Comparing a bodybuilder with a powerlifter with a strogman. They are lifting for different goals.

    I walked by a bodybuilder the other day doing leg presses. He had so many 100lb plates on there that no more would fit and one if his buddies was standing on the top of the machine to add weight.---weak ass bodybuilders!
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    Quote Originally Posted by diesel_tke View Post
    That's kind of splitting hairs. Comparing a bodybuilder with a powerlifter with a strogman. They are lifting for different goals.

    I walked by a bodybuilder the other day doing leg presses. He had so many 100lb plates on there that no more would fit and one if his buddies was standing on the top of the machine to add weight.---weak ass bodybuilders!
    Again, it's a comparison of relative strength to size. Res actually went very far out of his way to say that bodybuilders AREN'T weak, just for their size. Derek Poundstone (my avatar) walks around at 300lbs, same as an off season bodybuilder, yet can do this

    YouTube- Poundstone 800lb Deadlift for 9 reps

    Compared to Ronnie Coleman, again a 300lber, who does "only" this

    YouTube- Ronnie Coleman Deadlift 800 lbs

    Yes, Ronnie was in season at this point, so his strength levels are a little down, but Ronnie was also a powerlifter before he transitioned to bodybuilding, so the data is a little skewed, but your statement of "they train for different things" is pretty much the point. One trains for strength, and to do so they must get big, and one trains for size, and to do so they must get strong.
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    I recall reading many years ago an article about a study dealing with higher rep / lower resistance exercise done to failure. Done over time, it promoted an increase in vascularity, which also puffed out the muscle size. If the exerciser elected to work into a lower rep / higher resistance regimen, he would already have in place a vascular apparatus that would aid in recovery between sets of the higher resistance.
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    This is what l call soft muscle building no strength will be gained from this sort of training.
    But if you want to look good for the girls go a head
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbill View Post
    This is what l call soft muscle building no strength will be gained from this sort of training.
    But if you want to look good for the girls go a head
    Go read up more...

    I guess circuit training doesn't build ANY STRENGTH AT ALL EITHER, HUH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlosJesena View Post
    Go read up more...

    I guess circuit training doesn't build ANY STRENGTH AT ALL EITHER, HUH.
    Doesnt really build any muscle either, which is the point of this.

    Lots of reps at low weight isnt really going to build alot of strength.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    Doesnt really build any muscle either, which is the point of this.

    Lots of reps at low weight isnt really going to build alot of strength.
    Yes but to say it won't build any strength at all is crazy.
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    Circuit training has its uses but it's not a good way to get big or strong. You'll get some minor strength and hypertrophy in detrained individuals. Mostly circuit training is useful for metabolic training.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbill View Post
    This is what l call soft muscle building no strength will be gained from this sort of training.
    But if you want to look good for the girls go a head
    I don't think anyone cares what you call it.
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