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Falconry is not a regular class, but there are falconry workshops. The falconer (Joanne) sometimes keeps up to three of the birds in the salle (a Harris hawk, a gyrfalcon, and a peregrine, if memory serves), where they perch and watch and generally get used to being around people and noises. I haven’t handled them yet, though I have petted them a few times, being a bit of a bird lover.
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I visited the Academie shortly after it opened in its new location and was mightily impressed. It is honestly most active, welcoming and professional martial arts school I've ever seen; an ideal model for other Western MA, or indeed any full-time MA training center.
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This past Saturday saw the premiere of the school’s Bartitsu program. Since I was already there for fencing, and since the first class was free, trying it out was a foregone conclusion. So:
Bartitsu
While it is new, the instructor was thoughtful enough to describe how he is going to run the lessons—presumably subject to some evolution.
The curriculum is described as being broken down into pugilism, savate, jiu-jitsu, and obviously stick-fighting (la canne?). Each week, the class will consist of
- Warm-up and period self-defence drills
- Review of the focus material of the last class
- Instruction on one of the four components (to be reviewed next week)
- Integration of the review material and new instructional material
- Sparring—starting next week, and starting with only about 10 minutes/class.
E.g. this week we did some pugilism and stick-fighting, and did some integration such as parry-cross combos. Next week will review the pugilism material (I believe) and introduce some savate, then combine them—&c. (Because it’s a fun and popular part of the curriculum, some priority will probably be given to stickfighting.)
Because it’s so new (there has only been, and I have only taken a single class) it’s obviously pretty hard to comment on the quality of the material—we didn’t even touch on the jiu-jitsu and savate aspects yet. Still, I feel like I went in with a range of expectations and came out thinking it was around the top of that range. Obviously some of the ‘scientific boxing’ stuff felt weird, with the leaned-back stance and such…but that’s the nature of the material, and for all the chins held high in the defensive stance, there was an emphasis on tucking the chin when going in for a strike, and mention of taking punches on the forehead, &c.
The only two things that concern me here are equipment related:
- There’s a lack of bags—obviously not a major piece of equipment in a primarily sword-focused school: There’s one hanging bag and two old Wavemasters, all rather beaten up.
- The floor (again, fencing!) is a nice springy wood floor that I don’t at all relish learning any kind of jiu-jitsu takedowns on. The school does have some foam puzzle mats, but…well, they’re foam puzzle mats. They’re not tatami, and there’s certainly no proper judo/jits gym floor. I don’t know what the jiu-jitsu component will look like—or did look like in historical Bartitsu. I suppose we shall see.
Edit: See post below.
I made sure to ask about sparring, both to evaluate it for myself and to be able to say something useful in this review. As mentioned above, there will initially only be about 10 minutes of sparring at the end of each class, starting pretty light. Still, mouthguard and cup are recommended, as well as padded gloves (e.g. those padded, foam-dipped kung fu/whatever gloves—to allow for gripping and hitting and provide sufficient padding to protect your hands when struck by a cane). Generally, sparring will be ‘mixed’ in the sense that you can use any and all parts of the Bartitsu curriculum. Harder sparring may never be mandatory, but is fine between people who choose to go at it—gentlemen’s agreement, as it were.
Not sure whether I will attend this on a regular basis. On the one hand I feel like I already have a pretty full schedule with judo and BJJ and fencing, and I’d have to upgrade my membership (between GB and AD I already pay a pretty penny a month). On the other hand, I’m already there on Saturdays and, Bartitsu…Last edited by Petter; 8/25/2010 1:38am at .
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See this thread for some more Bartitsu stuff.
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Addendum to the Bartitsu review: An Academie Duello staff member happened upon this review¹ and let me know re. the equipment criticism that they will be getting more mats (“enough new mats to make a 24' x 24' square”), and may get more striking equipment (there already are some focus mitts) as the Bartitsu class progresses—there hasn’t really been much previous need, I suppose.
¹ My first thought was “I’m glad I wrote a positive review”. Second: “I don’t like that thought; am I such a coward or hypocrite that I would only want people to see positive reviews?” Third: “The preceding thoughts were dumb. If I didn’t give the place a proper review, I wouldn’t still be practicing there and so their opinion of me wouldn’t matter.”[ petterhaggholm.net | blog | essays ]
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I will update this again—and may continue to update it, in order to give the Bartitsu class a better review, having introduced it as it was introduced to the curriculum.
Since I last wrote, we have obtained mats, and the instructor has brought in more equipment such as gloves, shin pads, headgear, and padded Escrima sticks—I gather the goal is to find better sticks to spar with, since Escrima sticks are much shorter than Victorian canes, but that’s what we have for now.
The first class had no sparring; the second class introduced coup de pied bas and chassé from savate and had low-kick-only sparring (“purring”). The second class combined some canne and savate and had stick-and-low-kick sparring. Who knew that hitting people with sticks and kicking their shins could be so much fun?
Today saw the introduction of the jujutsu part of the Bartitsu curriculum. As you can tell from my review of the general Academie Duello curriculum, grappling has generally been the part that left me least impressed. I feel much heartened after seeing what this looks like: We started with some perfectly respectable judo breakfalls, and moved on to what I would describe as (no-gi) variations of tai otoshi and soto makikomi (note: I suck and judo and I don’t know what hardcore Bartitsu people would call them). The sparring at the end of class was hardly full speed, but then it was several people’s first introduction to grappling, and given these circumstances I honestly have no criticism at all. Light stick fighting + takedowns with some groundwork encouraged¹. It was a lot of fun, and after seeing the part of the curriculum I was most worried about, I am largely rid of the reservations and concerns I had when I signed up.
¹ On a personal side note, I have never really done groundwork before with anyone completely lacking training, and while fully acknowledging that I am an untalented grappler ill equipped to compete with anyone at the Gracie Barra school where I trained, it was kind of amazing to see how well 2½+ years of training by even a non-talent works against people who are completely untrained. It seems that protecting against hooks from the back, and even watching out for the RNC, is not actually instinctive…[ petterhaggholm.net | blog | essays ]
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Sounds like it's coming together well.
Re. training and sparring canes, some Bartitsu folk use 36" rattan sticks capped with firm rubber balls to more-or-less safely simulate the steel ball handle of a real Vigny/Bartitsu cane. You can also use kite spar (nearly indestructible hollow carbon fiber tubing) for the cane shaft, likewise capped with a rubber ball. These are obviously lighter than the real things but they balance roughly the same, and they're cheap and easy to make/replace. They work fine for most training purposes (obviously excepting techniques that require crook-handled canes) and for light sparring using the level of protective gear you've described.Check out the Bullshido.net Western Martial Arts Forum for all things Western, martial and arty.
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