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    I guess training boxing first and then doing push hands would make sense?

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    Yes with an and, or no with a but.

    The single-handed push hands one practices lightly as a drill has the rudiments of punch/parry. Training single-handed push hands as a drill will not teach punch/parry.

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    A look at some drills from my old Boston teacher (note his disclaimers) might be helpful, especially with the early discussion of "take them on the forearm" and the possibilities there:

    YouTube- Chen Taijiquan Advance Invite to Emptiness 陈太极拳

    YouTube- Chen Taijiquan 陈太极拳 Application Methods: Lie, & Horizontal Plane

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Larson View Post
    I guess training boxing first and then doing push hands would make sense?
    You can train both at once. Really, no matter what kind of CMA you do, there should be sparring that looks like this:

    YouTube- EBMMay31BrentRyanR2
    YouTube- san shou sparring with knees
    (note the applicability of push hands to the clinch work at the beginning of the first clip)

    ... these example come from Brent Hamby's school, which teaches shaolin, taiji, xingyi and sanshou.
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    I really like Brett Hamby's stuff. Those videos will be very useful. Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Larson View Post
    I guess training boxing first and then doing push hands would make sense?
    I did it the other way around, but I think boxing first, push hands second would be better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CodosDePiedra View Post
    I did it the other way around, but I think boxing first, push hands second would be better.
    Exactly. I'd say that concerning most kung fu that wasn't trained alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake View Post
    Exactly. I'd say that concerning most kung fu that wasn't trained alive.
    But then they would probably say you aren't training/practicing/using real <select one>taiji/baguazhang/hsing-i/li hue ba fa</select>
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    Here's another clip of a proper internal training progression:

    YouTube- London Bagua Zheng Wu Men Training clips.wmv

    YouTube- Matt and Ed Throwing.wmv
    (This sort of thing is what I think of when I think of proper tui shou.)

    ... from a London bagua and xingyi school (the instructors are students of Luo Dexiu). The sparring isn't nearly as good as what's in Hamby's videos, but they're a young school that has yet to build a competition team.
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    Awesome.

    Notice they are doing everything the dreaded "external/sports" schools are doing in their training.

    They just have forms training as well.

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