8/11/2010 9:35pm, #21
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And I totally agree with your statement re: how most people feel you need a strong double-neck tie to have a dominant clinch. I coach my guys the exact opposite. My goal is to coach them to dominate the clinch without ever resorting to the double neck tie.
8/12/2010 7:56am, #22
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8/12/2010 7:14pm, #23
Against someone who doesn't know how to clinch (everyone), the double neck tie is awesome. The only people i can't make my plaything with the double tie in the gym are the professionals and the amateurs with 5+ fights.
As soon as you introduce elbows arm control becomes much more important than head control, I've been caught really badly with elbows by trying to go for the double tie."Boxing is the art of hitting an opponent from the furthest distance away, exposing the least amount of your body while getting into position to punch with maximum leverage and not getting hit."
8/13/2010 5:24am, #24"The hero and the coward both feel the same thing, but the hero projects his fear onto his opponent while the coward runs. 'Fear'. It's the same thing, but it's what you do with it that matters". - Cus D'Amato
8/13/2010 9:34am, #25
I don't understand why, plenty of clubs are run by or have Thai trainers with solid backgrounds or local guys who have trained and fought extensively over there. I've been out of training for a whole though so hopefully there's been a shift.
8/13/2010 12:18pm, #26
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Awsome vids. Moar plz!
The clinch work and footwork displayed by Pot, X, and Saenchai were really something to behold.
It makes me sad that you've got a lot of people outside of Thailand making and producing instructional DVDs on the "secrets" of the Muay Thai Clinch when you've got somebody like Pot coaching in Thailand who really knows the clinch inside and out but receives little recognition.
What I would really like to see is a clinch instructional DVD made by Pot instead of all of the self proclaimed expert farang videos we have available.安氏八极拳学生
8/13/2010 1:49pm, #27
8/17/2010 9:47am, #28
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One thing that does bother me immensely about clinch scoring is where knees that someone just literally picks up their leg to touch you with score points. That or the knees where they are literally just hitting you with the inside of the thigh. I'm sorry, but unless someone is curling their leg in so that some part of the point of inner knee is making contact, they should not score. Attacks should have the intent to cause damage and harm. If you can take an attack for 45 minutes (exaggeration) without receiving damage it shouldn't score. This isn't point karate.
Sorry, if the above sounds brutish, but clinch scoring sometimes leads me as a fan to prefer the early K1 rules.
8/17/2010 12:05pm, #29
It really depends on what judges you are talking about. Also, throws score way higher than knees and should IMO.
8/17/2010 1:29pm, #30
What you're talking about has a lot more to do with work rate than anything else. If two people are basically neutral, then the one that is making more of an attempt to fight than the other it is going to look better (even if that means low damage attacks). Of course if you throw one big solid knee that makes a loud crack and buckles your opponent it's going to score a lot higher than a bunch of taps to the leg. Doing something is just always going to score better than doing nothing.Ranked #9 internationally at 118lbs by WIKBA http://www.womenkickboxing.com/wikba...rch%202009.htm