8/09/2010 7:04am, #11
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- Muay Thai, Savate
I believe much of it, traditionally, is style based. In shito ryu, footwork is important and footwork drills were done weekly. These drills went from basic 'follow my movement' for beginners to pair up and adapt to your opponents movement. The first principle, as written down by Mabuni, of self defence is defensive footwork, the fifth principle would be offensive footwork.
8/09/2010 10:56am, #12
Originally Posted by Dargentus
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- Raleigh, North Carolina
- Kenkojuku Karate, Judo
For example, zenkutsu dachi/front stance isn't meant to be a default stance for people to fight out of, rather it's how your weight shifts to the front during a punch.
Neko ashi dachi/cat stance is how one suddenly draws their front foot back for a moment in order to void themselves against an attack. I do this a lot when trying to scoop a kick to my gut.
Kokutsu dachi/back stance is for when you're already moving away from an attack and still find yourself needing to put your face a few extra inches out of harm's way (in a way that doesn't make you lean your head back). I often find myself stepping back and landing in it while my student's round kick just barely whizzes by my face.
The various stances have just been a bit idealized for the sake of art, but most of them are in there. Some are probably just training tools though like you said, like the two hourglass stances.
I'd never dream of squaring off to a guy in Kake Dachi or *shudder* Tsurani Dachi but can see the value of them in a transient phase of an interchange.
Horse stance I'd think is exclusively a training device, but it's in so many katas and I find myself transitioning through it a lot in Judo, so who knows...
P.S. There's that one horse stance part part of Bassai Dai where, I know it can't possibly mean this, but I can't figure out what else it could be trying to show except pounding someone while standing up in their guard.
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8/09/2010 11:14am, #13
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We're taught that pretty much everything except sanchin and cat stance are transitional - horse stance, leaning stance, kibadachi (sp?) etc. I see people spar in cat stance, and I've played around with it, but around here I suspect it's pretty vulnerable for single legs and other takedowns. Only use I see for horse stance is dropping your weight to block a throw, but that's probably a hangover from my last life.
8/09/2010 1:22pm, #14
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Again, I'd never face a guy in hooked stance but in the twisting movements of several throws I mind myself in it almost inadvertently.
Likewise I'd never stand in crane stance I'd get swept so hard I'd forget my own name but in pulling my foot back in my kicks I end up in a half-assed one...
But If i'd not practised MMA and trained as (an almost inadvertant) uke with a lot of Judo/Bjj guys I really don't think I'd ever have made the connection.
8/10/2010 2:05am, #15
notice first of all that you have one definition that you were told, helmond has given you another idea, and I am sure you could get another five for good measure.... thats a real problem. Not that anyone is wrong, just that in karate you will find that a lot of people teaching do not know and simply bounce and flounce stop and strike, then wonder why they cannot generate power. By comparison ask anyone in the Booj about footwork in Gyoko Ryu and there is a reason and a kata that tells you the reason with no contrdiction.
ok cresecnet stepping: Why? no reason in particular. Reason? explosiveness is very important. In Okinawan karate the cat stance generally teaches this quality of movement. Also at times Sanchin kata, with dynamic tension and release teach this quality of movement... I once watched a man in a tournament put another guy in cardiac arrest with dynamic tension movements.... or one movement.
Even the crescent kick is not really emphasized. We were taught it as a modified side kick (for all practical purposes). Probably because in Okinawan karate generally the kicks are not dynamic and circular like Korean karate.
Crescent footwork does allow you to do the following:
a) Leg check an opponent. When you step crisply with short efficient movements it becomes relatively easy to step out keeping your balance and foot low to the ground and put your outstretched foot on your opponent's leg for a split second to see where his weight is.
b) it allows you to practice stepping into positions with less movement. In a real situation because in karate your hitting hand is a split second behind your body as you step to hit you need to shorten the stepping and crescent stepping is a way to cheat by circling in instead of taking a full step. But beware as it is a misconception that you should stop to deliver a hit, this takes your power away totally. In fact because your hip chambers your strike, even if it is subtle, there is just a slight delay before the strike is completed, and... there are ways of punching in Okinwn Te where you do not chamber from the hip but you still generate power the same way.
regarding a knife? triangle is different footwork. A crescent based footwork used in knife fighting would probably be more of a small circular movement... At least in Japanese muto Dori (wepons avoidance)This thread never was a high quality conversation - My friend vern Gilbert on the William Acquier thread.
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