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  1. sumito is offline

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    It is the royal/collective we because I know all of the other students that train there feel similar and as their champion of injustice I have appointed myself as their spokesperson. Not to mention, I get tired of saying I so much... :) What was that, like 4 Is in two sentences?

    Seriously though, it is an expression used to encompass the whole school.
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    Gotcha you don't speak for Troy but, your words encompass the "whole school."
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    Meaning... Troy did not ask me to address this on his behalf. However, I have taken it upon myself to make general comments for the whole school, which of course includes Troy as the owner, with the purpose of clarifying and giving a dissenting perspective from the people that were commenting in a negative fashion, without ever actually training at RDT.

    Troy could care less but it now, but it pisses me off. Imagine if I was calling you out, or your school and I wasn't even in the same state or ever trained with you or your instructor. It gets really old when the MMA/BJJ trolls have nothing better to do then make comments without any firsthand knowledge.

    All they hear is someone commenting that there may be something different than MMA which is valid and all of the MMA/BJJ/Grappling trolls immediately try to discredit that viewpoint. The karate and Kung fu guys did the same thing to Bruce Lee in the late 60s early 70s and then same thing to the MMA guys in the 90s, so I am surprised they are in turn doing the same thing to others.

    I am not talking about some dubious Chi/Ki/Dim Mak claim. We have always been open to having people come to the school and check out what we are talking about, or, if they want to throw, we will go.

    For the record, I think that grappling/wrestling skills are important and we often train these skills at the school, just not with the same emphasis as an MMA school. It is always in the context of survival/self defense where the rules and skills are necessarily different.

    If you train in an MMA/BJJ school, how often do you train against the knife or stick and how does that work out for you?
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    39 and something on the internet pisses you off? Who cares. the quick fix would have been to PROVE HIS CLAIMS.

    Instead we have page after page of posturing, a dress down by an instructor in AZ, and you adding the street vs sport debate to a year old thread.

    At least you admit it is anger that keeps YOU bumping a thread every six months.
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    To my knowledge, Troy offered to prove his claims and nobody took him up on the offer.

    And as for the twisting of words from my expression, "it pisses me off", it has nothing to do with Anger. Master Yoda taught me better.

    Posturing is a two way street, which was started by someone that commented on the validity of RDT. How else should Troy have responded besides the offer to come down and train to get first hand knowledge, or fight or STFU? How would you have handled it? I guess he could have ignored it, but that has its pitfalls as well.

    Lastly, I merely responded to someone who came on six months after my last post in Aug 09 with their post in Mar '10. Again, the principle is to address unfounded and uneducated posts by people that don't have first hand knowledge to make sure there is a different perspective so others can make there own conclusions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sumito View Post
    To my knowledge, Troy offered to prove his claims and nobody took him up on the offer.
    Talk about word twisting. Please show me the proof of the undefeated street fighting, the confirmed ear ripping, and other wild claims. That was the issue he and you keep trying to morph it into we train realistically come practice. Fine. Coming to your gym will prove those other claims how?

    No, I'm not dealing with the starwman of street vs MMA nor, am I talking about if he is a good teacher. I never said he wasn't. I said, as well as others, that many of his claims were out right bullshit.



    And as for the twisting of words from my expression, "it pisses me off", it has nothing to do with Anger. Master Yoda taught me better.
    Semantics. Every six months? I'll call it like I read it. You are angry.


    Posturing is a two way street, which was started by someone that commented on the validity of RDT. How else should Troy have responded besides the offer to come down and train to get first hand knowledge, or fight or STFU? How would you have handled it? I guess he could have ignored it, but that has its pitfalls as well.
    Ignore it, prove you are undefeated, post up some records.

    Lastly, I merely responded to someone who came on six months after my last post in Aug 09 with their post in Mar '10. Again, the principle is to address unfounded and uneducated posts by people that don't have first hand knowledge to make sure there is a different perspective so others can make there own conclusions.
    Uneducated? Does not understanding how to read dates fall in that category as well? Your last post was not August 2009. That was your last relevant post. You came back six months later to bump the thread again.

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    I am very curious about something? How many people that have posted or rated RDT have actually been to an introductory class or trained with any of the instructors or students for any length of time?

    Is there a way to add a column to the Bullshido rating system where a user has to state whether they have actually been to a class or not?
    The Date of this post was 8/2009.

    The next post was by you, approximately six month later, in February bumping the thread.


    Sumito:02-27-2010
    Iif:02-27-2010
    GoldDust:02-28-2010
    Team python:03-17-2010

    The last post was in March AFTER, you bumped the thread.
    Like I said you post about every six months to bump a thread because, it pisses you off but it isn't anger.

    Again no one has said anything since you last posted in august until, you decided to post in February. No one said anything after March again until, you decided to post in August. All the people you are angry at stopped posting. Team Python is a completely different individual who had nothing to do with the start of the thread until, you broguht new life to the thread.
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    Maybe I missed where you posted this, but are you Mike, sumito? If you are, can you explain to me what "Mui Tia" is? I know what Muay Thai and Muay Boran are, but have never heard of "Mui Tia" before.


    And also Hop kee do? I know what Hapkido/Hopkido are but not Hop kee do.

    Thanks ahead of time for answering.
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    Hi Searcher,

    I am not Mike and have no idea what those other things are that you listed. Not my post. Catch you later.
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by sumito View Post
    Taping out in class = death on the street.
    This is ridiculous. Tapping in class keeps you safe to continue training. Why do guys routinely have limbs broken or get choked out in the ring then? Shouldn't they have instinctively tapped?

    Most guys with some experience won't just spaz out and fight on instinct, they keep their wits about them and fight intelligently. I've been caught in submissions in a fight before and I didn't **** the bed and give up, I fought my ass off to try and win the fight.

    For all this talk about realistic fighting and how things are in the street, RBSD practitioners seem to have lost their grip on ACTUAL reality.
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    8/05/2010 5:14pm


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    I swore that I wasn’t going to post anymore regarding this but just like watching Brazilian porn I just can’t seem to stop.

    Quote Originally Posted by sumito View Post
    If you train to tap out under pressure, you will tap on the street…Taping out in class = death on the street.
    This is complete nonsense and shows a near complete ignorance of grappling and grappling training.

    Quote Originally Posted by sumito View Post
    My experience is that a BJJ sport based mentality leads to wrong thinking. The individual skills have their place and the physical conditioning is awesome. However the mindset is flawed.
    My experience is that the Reality Based Self Defense based mentality leads to wrong thinking. Some of the concepts have their place however the training tends to give people a highly inflated opinion of what it is that they can actually do. Often it tends to attract people with a paranoid mind set who want an answer for any and every possible self defense scenario and views every self defense situation as a life or death fight for survival.

    Quote Originally Posted by sumito View Post
    What I know is that nobody that is making any comments is or has been an actual student or even been to the school, so far as we can tell.
    Troy can deny it all he wants but I have been to the school and I did hear him make some pretty outlandish statements such as “Even Mark Kerr couldn’t take me down!…We would destroy professional boxers in one round…they would ban us from competing!” etc.


    Quote Originally Posted by sumito View Post
    for those that just wanted to fight, we could accommodate that as well. However, we added the caveat that this is a street fight, not a Vale Tudo/MMA rules fight, and nobody posted.
    Troy wanted to fight a guy who he knew that he outweighed by at least 100lbs. and then only wanted to do it provided that he could eye gouge, bite etc. I know the person in question and I advised him against it given the considerable size difference. Personally I think that Troy was just being ridiculous and not really thinking things out. As a business owner he really has to consider the liability issues of what he was asking. While his insurance may cover sparring, I seriously doubt that his insurance company will be too receptive to the idea of eye gouging, biting etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by sumito View Post
    As far as RITC goes, again, rules based fighting has limited value in the development of a self defense oriented fighter. Sure, you get to test your Punching/Kicking/Wrestling/Grappling skills but not the rest of the skills which are open to you in a survival scenario like a home invasion scenario.
    More Street vs. Sport BS that I’m not even going to bother dealing with as it has been beaten to death for years here already.
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