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    Rolling with someone who is night and day stronger

    Just a quick strategy question...

    The last couple of nights I ended up rolling with two people who were night and day stronger than me. I'm a heavyweight and pretty strong, so this was a new feeling (the two guys both play football for the local college here). I got frustrated at how easy it was for them to take me down and how easy it was for them to power out of my submissions and stuff my sweeps with just brute strength.

    Wondering what some of ya'll do strategy wise when faced with fighting someone who is much, much stronger than you... (also, they weren't overly aggressive which kept me from using their energy against them).

    Thank you,

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    "The hero and the coward both feel the same thing, but the hero projects his fear onto his opponent while the coward runs. 'Fear'. It's the same thing, but it's what you do with it that matters". - Cus D'Amato
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    I'm relatively wee so I have this problem. One thing I know that works well is to apply submissions that lead into another sub upon escape. Like armbar from guard but plan ahead to roll over your shoulder to a belly down armbar as soon as they posture up. Things like Armbar -> Kimura -> Bicep slicer work too. Each defense sets up your next attack. Obviously this is the way all BJJ should work but it is even more important against big dudes who explode out of everything.

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    The easy answer is that your technique needs work. That's not a knock on you by the way...but as a big guy who is usually stronger than the people I roll with, I can tell you from my experience technique trumps strength.

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    Wonko: That post made me hate you.

    To the OP, start thinking about how you roll with the lightweights. How much strength do you employ there? What do they do against you? Most likely your technique is sloppy because you've been unconsciously getting away with being the bigger stronger guy against other people. When you run up against someone who is equally strong then you suddenly find out that your technique has holes.

    Look at the way the little guys work against you and apply those same kind of ideas against the guys who outpower you. Also concentrate on NOT using your strength against the little guys sometimes. Intentionally hold back even if it means you get thrashed for a while. That will give you ideas about what kind of tricks are available without any strength behind you. Also, read that first article that was posted about a dozen times. It's excellent.

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    For the visually inclined, I made this:



    The crossover point varies from person to person. It is just a matter of putting in more mat time and focusing on the technical aspects of the game rather than relying on your strength.

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    Wonko,

    This post:

    When i repeatedly found myself confronted by his strength, there were two things i became aware of:
    1) if you feel their strength, it is because you're opposing it. When they push, redirect their movement or fade from it. When you feel their power persisting, it's because you're opposing it, even if you don't realize it.
    2) if you encounter their strength while attempting a submission, you have attempted it while they are in an architecturally sound position. If you're trying to pull off a coil and they can push against you, you entered too early. A bent arm may be the form of a coil opening, but if their arm is in a strong position, it ain't yet a coil.

    Gem. Its going to be my mantra.

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    Skippy I reject your premise that strength level remains constant over time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kintanon View Post
    Wonko: That post made me hate you.
    damn. what took you so long?

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    when you're equal in skill, strength or fitness, you need to be better at one of these to win. or lucky, i guess.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lindz View Post
    Skippy I reject your premise that strength level remains constant over time.
    i don't think that part was meant to be taken so literally.

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