7/27/2010 10:48am, #11
Hmmm...you might be right?
I defer to Chainpunch of Tom Kagan as they actually know what they are talking about.
7/27/2010 12:33pm, #12
The Lop Sau you refer to is actually at an angle of one of the two man sets of Xingyi. Yes, I can provide pictures of both. Heck, I'm certain that move exists in tiger, Dragon, and southern mantis.
7/27/2010 2:13pm, #13
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There's not enough functional techniques in Wing Chun to justify it being a Martial Art in its own right. However, there are a lot of decent ones in it that could be incorporated into a striking game.
This doesn't include Tan Sau. That's only useful for shrugging off a seatbelt when you get out of a car, or carrying a pizza up the driveway.
7/27/2010 2:24pm, #14
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7/28/2010 10:00pm, #15
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lol. That pressing hand exists in almost any southern style. Why anyone would think it's just theirs is beyond me. Wasn't this also the idea behind the bare knuckle boxers as well, with one hand being the "feeler" and the other one doing all the damage; in an age before the jab, that's what you went with, right?
But, yeah, I don't know why anyone would think these guys are using WC because I've never seen a WC guy hold his chambered hand up THAT high.
7/30/2010 10:46am, #16
Lop Sao means grabbing hand. Purpose, direction, power, and end results are not implied.
Pak Sao means slapping hand. Purpose, direction, power, and end results are not implied.
Some WC people believe there is only one way to slap and grab and others think you vary the techniques based on desire and need. I come from the school of the latter where Wing Chun is an abstract art that must be learnt to fit the individual, not to become a non-thinking robot.
People who look at moves and say "this looks like WC and that does not" are really just adjusted to seeing WC performed in a vacuum tube of an environment. The big name promoters of WC are really bent on fighting against themselves rather than seriously proving anything to outsiders.
7/30/2010 11:12am, #17
Most Martial Artists look for their techniques in sparring, competition, street fights etc etc etc. The whole "for ourselves" **** is what got all the drama started for kung fu regardless of style.
Too bad they don't realize old school CMA was all about proving itself to outsiders.
7/30/2010 11:22am, #18
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7/30/2010 12:17pm, #19
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Easy way to remember is lop sau sets up the da (hit) with the rear hand, pak sau traps with the rear and strike with the lead. I use pak sau on guys who cover up on the jab, and lop sau on guys who leave their lead hand too far away from their face. Overhand right is a good strike from there, personally I'm partial to the backfist/back elbow from there.
7/30/2010 3:14pm, #20
WC is such a disputed style about nothing can be agreed on.
OP , just from the picture alone a room full of chunners could not agree on what is going on. Without video we can't see intent and I am pretty sure the guy is not thing WC even if it were to look remotely familiar.