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  1. Craig Jenkins is offline

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    Popular Mechanics - The Science of a Boxing Knockout (or any other ...)

    A short but interesting article on what's going on behind the concussion.

    "Here's how it happens: The body contains dissolved sodium, potassium and calcium, collectively known as electrolytes, which are responsible for conducting impulses along neurons. Every time a fighter receives a blow to a nerve, potassium leaves the cell and calcium rushes in, destabilizing the electrolyte balance, while the brain does all it can to keep these levels in balance. With each successive blow, this balance becomes harder and harder to maintain, and more and more energy must be spent in the process. When the body reaches the point where the damage outweighs the body's ability to repair itself, the brain shuts down to conserve enough energy to fix the injured neurons at a later point."


    http://www.popularmechanics.com/outd...lick=pm_latest
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    I'm no physiologist, but this bothers me.

    According to PM's theory, I can knock someone unconscious by repeatedly striking "a nerve". Any nerve?

    Even if I smack you in the funnybone a thousand times with a hammer, I doubt your brain is going to shut down.
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    Hmm, this would explain why nerve point KOs can work. But as we know they are too hard to apply in a fight.
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    7/23/2010 12:53pm


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    I think you'd need enough nerve mass to release enough pottasium and absorb enough calcium to throw the body off enough to cause the shutdown. With targets other than the brain you a) don't have the nerve tissue mass and b) aren't always crushing that back against such a hard surface (bone) to create that compression force.

    Just speculating, but it seems to address the point you've raised.

    Dammit Jim, I'm an old martial arts guy, not a doctor!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig Jenkins View Post
    I think you'd need enough nerve mass to release enough pottasium and absorb enough calcium to throw the body off enough to cause the shutdown. With targets other than the brain you a) don't have the nerve tissue mass and b) aren't always crushing that back against such a hard surface (bone) to create that compression force.

    Just speculating, but it seems to address the point you've raised.

    Dammit Jim, I'm an old martial arts guy, not a doctor!
    Agreed. After reading the article again, I think if the author had written:

    ...Every time a fighter's brain slams into his cranium, potassium leaves... and calcium rushes in, destabilizing the electrolyte balance, while the brain does all it can to keep these levels in balance....
    then I wouldn't have had a problem with it.
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    **** PM, their research is like MythBusters+.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fourTwenty View Post
    **** PM, their research is like MythBusters+.
    Still pissed about that 9/11 article, eh? :XXphyhsas
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cannon_6 View Post
    Still pissed about that 9/11 article, eh? :XXphyhsas
    A little. Maybe. :beatdead:
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    I have heard the electrolyte thing before..and the nerve points at the bottom of the jaw are often referred to as trigger points when people are discussing KO's..but that little blurb is pretty far from a complete argument.
    Actually, it is about as far as you can get..
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